Well then you have failed. Religion is faith based not evidence based and as such it is false as there is no empirical evidence to support it. So only the badly educated believe it.
BBC TV channels to add more religion
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Well then you have failed. Religion is faith based not evidence based and as such it is false as there is no empirical evidence to support it. So only the badly educated believe it.
Which is completely BS.
I haven’t even attempted to argue with you, because you haven’t really gone long on making an argument.
I’m sure we could both come up with lists of badly educated/well educated religious/irreligious folk but that wouldn’t really get us anywhere because you’ve defined, for the purposes of your argument, belief in this evidence based approach as being the bastion of the well educated. The two are not intrinsically linked.
Your argument is based on the idea that empirical evidence is the only evidence that matters, which is itself a faith based position of belief in the scientific method.
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I dont watch sports so can I have discount on my license? Why should I pay for Wimbledon and match of the day?
It's not faith based. Faith is belief without evidence. Why can't you accept this simple premise. Science provides evidence based explanations for natural phenomenon. Science is the opposite of faith.
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Science is the new religion hence Scientology.
Science is the new religion hence Scientology.
Yeah I agree. Also morons on the internet spouting crap is also in that camp
Religion had answers to questions people didn’t have answers too. Then science answered them. It was then used as a means of control: “what unifying motivation can I use to get lots of people to invade that country for me?” Etc. Now people don’t buy it.
Howeve there still remains two things that will mean, in my mind, religion will stick around.
1) the question of: what happens after I die? And even though there are scientific answers, no one likes them.
2) the arrogance of the human race. “We are more special than every other animal, we are more important. There has to be something more!” No, there doesn’t. You’re just an animal too, like a cat or dog. You’re not special. You eat, sleep, defecate and procreate. You will betray anyone for the benefit of you and your family.
Howeve there still remains two things that will mean, in my mind, religion will stick around.
1) the question of: what happens after I die? And even though there are scientific answers, no one likes them.
2) the arrogance of the human race. “We are more special than every other animal, we are more important. There has to be something more!” No, there doesn’t. You’re just an animal too, like a cat or dog. You’re not special. You eat, sleep, defecate and procreate. You will betray anyone for the benefit of you and your family.
Wasn't Newton quite religious? Had some 'wacky' beliefs.
I think we've slightly diverged from the OT but as I said, I think it's a good thing if it means we're more aware of the beliefs of people around us.
I think some people are thinking that this means the BBC will be trying to convert people rather than educate them.
We only know what happens to the physical body, while things like consciousness are such a mystery science can offer little certainties as to what happens after someone dies.
While the number is dropping as it is less and less the case these days approx. 60% of the notable names in science alive or dead have been actively religious.
Amongst other things the Jews for instance tend to be highly educated and quite religious the relationship is quite complex and the decline in religion is more linked to indifference and declining numbers brought up within a religious context than education.
well what do you mean be "consciousness"? if you mean the brain activity, then yes we do know what happens - your brain shut down and everything stops.
That is indeed what science is, but I’m talking about belief in the notion of science and the scientific method. The belief that the scientific method is the only way to test things. The belief that scientific evidence means something.
I believe the scientific method works, but there is no evidence to suggest that it is all there is.
I think in fairness to you, as you quite clearly state people who are religious are badly educated you should be able to provide evidence to support this. Because obviously making such a statement without evidence wouldn't be an evidence based lifestyle you promote in your well educated manner.
Correct. Belief without evidence is fallacious. /thread.
The issue with that is that you’re assuming the conscious is separate from the physical. Yet people whose heads get whacked have their personality changed...
Indeed, I just picked Newton randomly.
See, I can fully understand why people reject the idea of there being a God of some kind. But what I find with atheists (some, not all, and a few on these forums..) is they don't fully appreciate the significance that religion plays in a person's identity. I would be surprised if the majority of people who say they are religious actually fully believe in an deity, rather they say they believe because that faith comes with a package of traditions, culture, rituals and celebrations that bring communities together.
That wasn't the purpose of the thread, and assuming you're not just jumping on the "hey I'm an intellectual" bandwagon there's a thread in SC.
Just to clarify and as a general point, I think it's extremely difficult to provide evidence to justify your religious beliefs without eventually resorting to 'faith'.
My own position aside, I accept that argument from authority is pointless if the other person rejects that authority. I also find that religious people can be extremely rational and logical - but only when disproving other religions or beliefs. Once the focus turns inward towards their own beliefs, everything flies out the window.
I haven't made clear my beliefs but I'm happy to discuss them within reason. Perhaps I'm standing at the edge of disbelief...time will tell.