Apple slows your iPhone down "to conserve battery"

[Shocky-FM]

I don't know why you have so much faith in Samsung's batteries. Batteries were failing prematurely on the note 4 and exploding on the note 7....I'm a lot more pessimistic about Samsung.

Sometimes devices get recalled, it happens, this behaviour from Apple is not limited to a single generation of devices or a single device, so I don't how that's relevant. .

Sites have been testing battery life over the years and we know they typically drop around 80-85% of the original capacity over 12 months, Samsung specifically stated that has been reduced to around 95% with the Galaxy S8 and devices released afterwards, if they were doing something shady I'm sure we would know about it by now.

I can see Samsung ad now for next year.

"Samsung Galaxy S9 series.... Maximum performance from start to finish!"

Yep, you can guarantee one or more manufactures will use this or something simalar in their marketing in the near future.

 

[james.miller]

Sometimes devices get recalled, it happens, this behaviour from Apple is not limited to a single generation of devices or a single device, so I don't how that's relevant. .

I mentioned two generations of note devices with battery issues, it's directly comparable.

Sites have been testing battery life over the years and we know they typically drop around 80-85% of the original capacity over 12 months, Samsung specifically stated that has been reduced to around 95% with the Galaxy S8 and devices released afterwards, if they were doing something shady I'm sure we would know about it by now.

S8 isn't old enough to know that...yet. Samsung screw up the batteries (and more besides) on multiple generations of hardware but it's ok now because they say so?

Yeah I'm not so convinced.

 

[Jae-So]

I bought a Nokia 3 recently (quite a low end phone) but seems to perform better than my old iphone 6.
This was just side by side testing on similar tasks so nothing scientific. This now makes sense though.

 

[Nasher]

Apple have always been rip-off merchants. Pay far more and get less.

I mean...you don't even get USB ports on Apple devices any more lol. Even an old Blackberry Z10 I have has a mini HDMI port on the side, an SD slot and a mini USB port. Oh yea and it takes 3 seconds to swap the battery...

 

[Diddums]

Apple have always been rip-off merchants. Pay far more and get less.

I mean...you don't even get USB ports on Apple devices any more lol. Even an old Blackberry Z10 I have has a mini HDMI port on the side, an SD slot and a mini USB port. Oh yea and it takes 3 seconds to swap the battery...

Exactly, and their incessant need to change everything forcing you to buy new stuff does my head in. My wife uses iPhones, last time she got one we bought her a nice Sony alarm clock charger for it, was £180 or so. A year later, new phone, can't use existing stuff, have to replace. Same with earphones, chargers, any peripheral, etc.

I'll never buy another Apple product in my life.

 

[Daaaavvveee]

Exactly, and their incessant need to change everything forcing you to buy new stuff does my head in. My wife uses iPhones, last time she got one we bought her a nice Sony alarm clock charger for it, was £180 or so. A year later, new phone, can't use existing stuff, have to replace. Same with earphones, chargers, any peripheral, etc.

I'll never buy another Apple product in my life.

errrmmmmm they changed the charging port once.........

 

[Saffy]

It's complete fraud to make you upgrade.
They got caught. That's a disgusting way to treat your customers but actually not surprised.

Won't. Change anything and I wonder if other huge players do similar?

I think they do. My Samsung Galaxy S6 saw a significant drop in battery life with the newest update.

 

[Diddums]

errrmmmmm they changed the charging port once.........

And how many times have they changed the sim card? And now they've ditched the headphone jack. Apple seems to have a habit of fixing things that aren't broken forcing customers to buy new stuff, if people are happy to have their £200 alarm clock and £300 heasphones made useless by a new phone then by all means go for it, but I'm done with Apple.

 

[Journey]

I wonder if next year when they claim to have the fastest phone they'll need to put a little statement with a * next to it, saying only if you battery is more than 80% capacity, and we decided not to gimp it, so we don't have to replace your product free of charge, since it was designed so on the edge the capabilities of the provided battery voltage/current supply it couldn't last more than 300-500 battery cycles. Rofl, what a complete joke.

I have no idea why we don't just have two versions of phones, one that is water proof and thin for no reason with a built in battery, then another for people that want to keep it longer than a year with a removable battery, UFS Card slot (fast SD), and other such nice additions.

 

[james.miller]

Fun fact, samsung have changed ports more times on the note range than apple did on the iPhone

 

[jpaul]

errrmmmmm they changed the charging port once.........

his comment reminded me of this youtube which summarises the change of connectivity over the evolution of the iphone
Apple: It's Good If You Like CRAP


The Samsung 95% battery claim seems bogus, if you you look at link I posted earlier, if you have many 80% depth of discharges during a year, you are down to 80% capacity, unless they have sandbagged the capacity at the outset.

Devices absolutely do this when at critical battery life but not when at full charge on an older battery.

the reddit article has testaments form iph6 users who were seeing shut-downs, so in Apples defense, it is possible their heuristics with the high current draw from a benchmark
were projecting that the remaining battery charge was unpredicable (so had been shutting down), and that throttling down as a remedial acitivty, was the only way to return to a stable situation.
(its a venn diagram with a large no mans land area - we don't know what is happening - insert the reactor moderators)
... will be interesting to see if legally under consumer rights, you can claim their repsonse is unreasonable, bad publicity yes, but unlike the samsung battery issue currently no danger to health.
So far the issue has not gained much traction in the press, even like the previous antenna problem.

 

[Tunney]

And how many times have they changed the sim card?

So has the rest of the industry. And you can fit older SIM cards into new phones with 10 seconds efforts and a sharp knife.

And now they've ditched the headphone jack. Apple seems to have a habit of fixing things that aren't broken forcing customers to buy new stuff, if people are happy to have their £200 alarm clock and £300 heasphones made useless by a new phone then by all means go for it, but I'm done with Apple.

There's a 3.5mm adaptor in the box. Replacements are £9. Your £300 headphones still work.

Apple changed from a 30-pin socket to Lightning five years ago. Before that, they'd had the same socket for 11 years. Again, adaptors were made available at the time.

 

[Diddums]

There's a 3.5mm adaptor in the box. Replacements are £9. Your £300 headphones still work.

I was not aware of this, I thought you had to buy new kit. In that case I'll have to find something else to moan about

 

[Drollic]

I was not aware of this, I thought you had to buy new kit. In that case I'll have to find something else to moan about

It's still not the same. The adapter sticks out, which is awkward and puts unnecessary strain on the lightning port.

 

[jpaul]

There's a 3.5mm adaptor in the box. Replacements are £9. Your £300 headphones still work.

but is the analogue sound quality from the dac in the adaptor not acknowledged to give a poorer quality sound ? or maybe people who this matters too already have a 3rd party dac.

 

[drunkenmaster]

his comment reminded me of this youtube which summarises the change of connectivity over the evolution of the iphone
Apple: It's Good If You Like CRAP


The Samsung 95% battery claim seems bogus, if you you look at link I posted earlier, if you have many 80% depth of discharges during a year, you are down to 80% capacity, unless they have sandbagged the capacity at the outset.


the reddit article has testaments form iph6 users who were seeing shut-downs, so in Apples defense, it is possible their heuristics with the high current draw from a benchmark
were projecting that the remaining battery charge was unpredicable (so had been shutting down), and that throttling down as a remedial acitivty, was the only way to return to a stable situation.
(its a venn diagram with a large no mans land area - we don't know what is happening - insert the reactor moderators)
... will be interesting to see if legally under consumer rights, you can claim their repsonse is unreasonable, bad publicity yes, but unlike the samsung battery issue currently no danger to health.
So far the issue has not gained much traction in the press, even like the previous antenna problem.

It's worth remembering a couple of things, one that any phone can end up with technical issues and shut down randomly, this can simply be from the battery being almost out of power. If a user only ever gets to say 90% power and keeps topping it up that is almost worst case scenario for battery life but also screws up the battery life indicator as you need to do some full cycles now and then for the software to be able to estimate battery life accurately. So in a few scenarios they could be at 5% power, the battery is turning off but it's reading as say 80% power because the battery is never cycled so it's not aware it's really at 5% power.

A more realistic scenario is simply that with Apple trying to spin this story they have a few guys post to reddit with stories to back up their excuse. Places like reddit and most social media platforms simply have shills all over the damn place to spin the narrative they are pushing.

Either way as I've suggested before a really deep investigation needs to be conducted by people with the technological skills, that means someone who has this slow down goes to a qualified person who can remove the battery and test the battery's output on it's own. If the phone has slowed down to 50% clock speeds and you take the battery out and it's reading 3.75v still, then it's not lacking voltage. But again I think the most crucial thing is, is iOS updates also sending out triggers to older devices to at that point aggressively clock down where before new phone/new iOS version are released the phones don't clock down regardless of battery life?

I also touched on another scenario, they have dire voltage reg circuitry and it really can't cope with minor losses in voltage.... but that means the device isn't fit for purpose and people shouldn't spend £100 on them let alone £500+ for an inferior product.

Why do basically all other brands manage the same clock speeds with no issues 3-4 years later when the battery has gone to hell but Apple phones can't? Voltage reg stuff in general is designed to work with a relatively wide range and all li-ion batteries work the same so if every other brand is building in enough leeway to get the voltage right even on an old battery but Apple can't despite being more expensive devices then that alone is a massive problem in which they are selling you inferior hardware with effectively a far shorter life span at the rated specs.

Would anyone here pay for a 8700k at current prices if after 1-2 years due to poor manufacturing it could only sustain half the performance while stable?

 

[Regy53]

Funny really I have a iphone 5 that has never been updated (its a contractors phone) and it still operates perfectly fine and fast for day to day use, but runs the IOS is came with I think.

I then have my old iphone 6, that was deadly slow at the end, i used that daily and updated as and when required

 

[Shocky-FM]

I mentioned two generations of note devices with battery issues, it's directly comparable.

S8 isn't old enough to know that...yet. Samsung screw up the batteries (and more besides) on multiple generations of hardware but it's ok now because they say so?

Yeah I'm not so convinced.

The Note 4 wasn't a complete recall, it only affected 10,000 batteries which is nothing, the Note 7 was of course a full recall and the only time they've had to do this with a phone, they were released two years apart and share very little over than branding. The Galaxy S8 is around 7-8 months old now so if their claims were wrong people would know by now, it doesn't just drop off suddenly after 12 months, it's gradual so if it was degrading at the typical rate users would have probably noticed it by now. I tend to believe companies more after huge recalls because they have a lot more to lose if they get it wrong again, the issue itself was nothing do do with battery degradation anyway as I doubt any of them lasted that long.

You seem to making quite the leap to draw a conclusion here, we have evidence that Apple lowers performance on most if not all of their mobile devices and they've admitted it, so no they're not comparable at all.

If you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore this that's fine, but don't come here with silly tin hat theories with no evidence about other brands, it's insulting.

 

[james.miller]

The Note 4 wasn't a complete recall, it only affected 10,000 batteries which is nothing

who said anything about recalls and where did you pull that 10k figure from?

The Galaxy S8 is around 7-8 months old now so if their claims were wrong people would know by now, it doesn't just drop off suddenly after 12 months,

Really? my note 4 battery when from perfectly fine to non functioning in DAYS, inside the 12 month warranty as well.

You seem to making quite the leap to draw a conclusion here, we have evidence that Apple lowers performance on most if not all of their mobile devices and they've admitted it, so no they're not comparable at all.

Experience tells me samsung will cut corners were they can. Having been affected by battery issues, mmc issues and port issues in the past. Just because i dont immediately trust samsung when they say "we're better now, honest" doesnt mean im making any kind of leap. My opinion is based on my own experience.

If you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore this that's fine, but don't come here with silly tin hat theories with no evidence about other brands, it's insulting.

Believe me i'm not the one sticking my head in the sand here and if you think i'm ignoring what Apple have done then you have simply not read my posts. No, there's no crackpot theory - I've not presented any theory at all so i don't know why you would think that; I'm simply saying i don't trust Samsung blindly like you seem to be doing. Am i missing something; Do you work for them?

 

[Shocky-FM]

who said anything about recalls and where did you pull that 10k figure from?

Google

Really? my note 4 battery when from perfectly fine to non functioning in DAYS, inside the 12 month warranty as well.

Highly unlikely, batteries just don't behave like that without something else going on.

Experience tells me samsung will cut corners were they can. Having been affected by battery issues, mmc issues and port issues in the past. Just because i don't immediately trust Samsung when they say "we're better now, honest" doesnt mean im making any kind of leap. My opinion is based on my own experience.

They all cut corners where they can, that's business.

Some you know about, most we don't.

Believe me i'm not the one sticking my head in the sand, here.

When we have evidence to suggest the Galaxy S8 battery is not holding up as they claim then great, but right now we have nothing other than your irrational mistrust of Samsung and experience with a single device.