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Could you sound like more of a poin dexter who has never lived ? The answer is no.
California prepares to legalize marijuana on New Year's Day
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Could you sound like more of a poin dexter who has never lived ? The answer is no.
So could I just have a regular fix of heroin or meth on a weekend, "in moderation" once or twice a week and it will be fine, just like alcohol?
I think perhaps you've been taking a few too many drugs yourself...
Actually when you look at the published evidence, yes. Most amphetamine users don't take the drug habitually.
It seems like no matter like what over a century of scientific evidence says, what the drug experts suggest, no matter how badly drug prohibition damages society, you will never get over your preconceptions about drugs and there is perhaps little point trying to convince you otherwise...
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Plenty of people have taken heroin casually at weekends and lived normal lives, not recommended obviously but you can find lots of interviews etc with people who have been able to moderate how much they take to supposed safe levels and avoid addiction. Not something I’d ever recommend but it’s doable.
I also know people who have been taking coke and pills every weekend for two decades, they have good jobs and live good lives. They just like to party hard at the weekend.
it isn't really preconceptions, I know a former heroin addict...
I suspect you're confusing yourself a bit re: these scientific studies in that a big factor in alcohol being deemed more harmful is that it is simply more widely used... that isn't therefore a good argument to allow heroin/crack etc.. if they were used to the extent alcohol currently is then you'd not be making that argument
What does knowing a former heroin addict have to do with empirical data? Is it exactly that type of anecdotal evidence that forms the basis of preconceptions.
No, I am not talking about the numbers of deaths or addicts, I am talking about the proportion of users that become addicted to the drug.
When you understand basic chemistry, biology, or drug pharmacology it's hardly surprising that alcohol, a solvent that destroys living cells upon contact is more harmful to the body than a drug like heroin which highly specifically binds to a few receptors.
sorry did you post some empirical data?
I think you can't see the woods for the trees again here... tis still fine to drink alcohol in moderation yet the harm done by heroin is a bit more than just what you're focusing on there - there are rather devastating social consequences as a result of it too...
Sorry, I thought you knew you to use google.
One of the most well known papers cited in the UK.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?cmd=retrieve&list_uids=21036393&dopt=Abstract
It's fine to do any drug in moderation. When used chronically however alcohol is about the most physically harmful and dependence forming drug there is.
I'm sorry that doesn't fit in with your rhetoric.
no it just doesn't fit with reality, as I suspected this is a bit of a can't see the woods for the trees thing... and sure enough you've pulled the former drug Czar's study out of the bag while seemingly ignoring the rather obvious point I already presented in the previous post:
from the author of the study himself...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660210
Prof Nutt said:
so citing that is a pretty naff argument to allow the use of crack or heroin, they're no where near as widely used as alcohol - if they were then that study would have rather different results!
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People who smoke weed just look like brain dead idiots and stink. Can't see the appeal personally and it's pretty sad that so many need such a drug to get through their day.
Have you ever smoked weed?
You would be surprised on how many people smoke the blow and hold down a good job, it's not about getting through the day as you say lol.
Before I say this, I'm not with Asim or Energize in their views, but yours is toward the other extreme.
If you see people out and about stoned, they're probably the equivalent of the drunk guy you see on the street drinking cheap cider, I know more than a few people who quite happily have a joint at night just as people like to have a glass of red wine at night.
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Lol at thinking you can easily spot everyone who smokes weed and lol at thinking they all need it to get through the day.
You feel sad for weed smokers, I feel sad for dullards like yourself who probably have zero experience of drug culture yet think they are somehow superior to people who choose to take them in their spare time.
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Yes, an overbearing feeling of lethargy. Great.
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Any smoking is repulsive and a completely moronic thing to a) waste money on b) subject your body to.
It makes you stink and yes, you can usually spot them much like you can spot if someone has had a couple of pints.
I wouldn't walk around drinking alcohol in public either, so it wouldn't be so bad if you weed smokers could sit in a smoke shop together and keep it to yourself. Having to walk through Southend high street smelling that distinctive stench every few yards is repulsive.
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Why do I need to be accommodating for something that is illegal here in the UK? If you aren't reliant / addicted to it, why do you feel the need to flout the law.
No it isn't, it's just their lifestyle they want to be in, who are you to judge them.
Well done on taking that quote completely out of context, which is him talking about the harm to society, not individual harm, which is completely unaffected by how widely used a drug is.