I saw that interview yesterday as someone who never really heard of Peterson and it blew my mind how beautifully he destroyed her attempt to mischaracterize and defame him; then I watched 2 hour podcast with Ethan and Hila of H3H3 and realized that this guy is really god damn brilliant.
Has anyone elses salary been affected by the gender pay gap yet?
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He's been on the Joe Rogan podcast a couple of times. Those are good too.
Normally dinner ladies do not prepare and cook food. Many of them do not even serve food. I don't see how a dinner ladies job is skilled work, its manual labour like a bin man.
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This is something that has been hugely neglected in recent popularist debates. As has decades of clinical and academic research about the value of 'father figures' due to conflict with certain agendas along with more recent legislation and polices benefiting the few at the behest of the many.
I think it likely was, more so than someone like Milo etc.. who ends up distracting from some points by just going for the whole provocateur thing which might be amusing to his fans but can alienate people who are a bit on the fence.
The interviewer was chucking in straw men every other question and he just laughed, he was coherent, he had significant experience in some of the areas being discussed and he could cite women he'd worked with and helped so they can't really attempt to demonise him either.
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So should be paid similar.
Its a broad category anyway, some require more skills, some maybe not.
semi-skilled... but yeah from what I can see it doesn't seem to be any more skilled than say working in McDonalds, they've usually got set menus to rotate through and specific mundane tasks to repeat, loading in some potatoes and racking up some turkey burgers and leaving them in for the allotted time the manual states probably doesn't require much training. I guess some of them have to dish it out to the queue of kids and others need to stack up and put the used plates etc.. into a big pot washer etc.
There's a difference between manual labour outside starting at 6am all year round and essentially a manual task inside and only in term time. Most people, if push came to shove, wouldn't mind preparing food, it's probably not the most interesting job in the world but there can't be many hardships, compared to collecting rubbish in the rain/freezing cold. Of course you'd pay refuse collector more money or no one would do it.
That's not what a normal dinner lady's job is. A dinner lady job is even less skilled then working in McDonalds. That's why its manual labour not a skilled job.
What is a dinner lady's job out of interest? I've never worked as one so was just guessing.
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Are you guys really arguing about whether being a dinner lady is manual or skilled labour?
Why does it matter?
Why does it matter?
Putting table and chairs out, wiping the tables and chairs after everyone’s finished. Picking up left over plates and taking them to the kitchen. Sometimes rarely they serve food at the hatch which is hardly skilled.
A dinner ladies job is a separate job from the Kitchen staff who prepare food, cook and everything else.
It matters when due to silly rules people doing basic manual labour are being paid the same as people on skilled jobs.
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I don't really know much about these rules but I'm assuming like most things, the market dictates the value of labour and the value of skills.
I do think it's scary how little labourers get paid though. Especially considering how dangerous it can be.
By dinner ladies I was referring to the kitchen staff too, AFAIK, at least when I was at school, they were all part of the same team.
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So either way dinner ladies should be on par with bin men.
This only applies to government funded jobs. The government decided to scrap all scale 1 roles and have scale 2 as the minimum wage. They also gave scale 2 a larger pay increase then scale 3+. The problem is when you keep raising the minimum level but do not raise the higher levels jobs you end up with people doing minimum wage jobs like wiping tables and serving tea/coffee on a similar or the same hourly rate as skilled workers. So why bother being a skill worker when you can do a much easier unskilled job for the or around same money?
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To what "silly rules" do you allude?
I'm not sure they should nor do I see the need to compare two completely different jobs working in completely different areas?
Surely you just pay dinner ladies what you need in order to recruit and retain them + you pay bin men what you need in order to recruit/retain them... why the need for a comparison?