GPU prices go boom

[melmac]

As much as I'm dissapointed with the prices I with many others have already accepted the high prices as some gamers where happy to keep pushing prices up its now mining has had a massive effect on it.

Group A: Hey guys we have concerns that AMD/nVidia have no incentive to drop prices as long as people keep paying this inflated pricing, these cards are getting way too expensive for many. Remember when certain range of cards cost xxx / Costs where more resonable / People may start getting priced out if the market.

Group B: Don't like it dont buy it, poor AMD/nVidia have to make money, lololol poor people.

Mining craze is where we are now and group B is like: WWWAAAAAHHHH miners taking all the cards, they pushing the pricing up and now gamers cant afford the cards. They're worse then trump/brexit voters.

I dont mine and I have no intrest in doing so and I dont mind others mining but to shift all the blame on the people that do mine is pretty dumb when a lot of gamers where happy to keep paying rising card pricing even before the situation we're in now. I like how gamers where completely happy to pay 600/700/800 for a card and as soon as it goes up in price £40-80 they hit like a breaking point and no longer want the card, the cards where overpriced before and now you want out lol.

Dont get me started on people that are happy to pay insane pricing for delidded CPU's for an extra 200-400mhz. Intel really should corner that market but they proberly make more money then ever to bother.

A lot of truth in this post.

 

[TheSkateyBird]

I'm currently worrying about the same thing. My 5870 has been in use since 2010! Trying to spend a lot more time catching up on old and cheap PS3 games that I'd always intended to play.

Exactly what I'm doing now. Managed to get some files off my PC using a HD5450 I had kicking about. Now loading a couple of Indie games on an old laptop.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

If this river of tears gets any deeper we're going to have to start donating old hardware to GPU banks to aid those on Geforce 500 series and earlier.

 

[Clarkson]

As much as I'm dissapointed with the prices I with many others have already accepted the high prices as some gamers where happy to keep pushing prices up its now mining has had a massive effect on it.

Group A: Hey guys we have concerns that AMD/nVidia have no incentive to drop prices as long as people keep paying this inflated pricing, these cards are getting way too expensive for many. Remember when certain range of cards cost xxx / Costs where more resonable / People may start getting priced out if the market.

Group B: Don't like it dont buy it, poor AMD/nVidia have to make money, lololol poor people.

Mining craze is where we are now and group B is like: WWWAAAAAHHHH miners taking all the cards, they pushing the pricing up and now gamers cant afford the cards. They're worse then trump/brexit voters.

I dont mine and I have no intrest in doing so and I dont mind others mining but to shift all the blame on the people that do mine is pretty dumb when a lot of gamers where happy to keep paying rising card pricing even before the situation we're in now. I like how gamers where completely happy to pay 600/700/800 for a card and as soon as it goes up in price £40-80 they hit like a breaking point and no longer want the card, the cards where overpriced before and now you want out lol.

Dont get me started on people that are happy to pay insane pricing for delidded CPU's for an extra 200-400mhz. Intel really should corner that market but they proberly make more money then ever to bother.

I agree. No doubt mining has caused a problem with supply due to multi GPU purchases all over the place, but the prices have been too high for a long time. I bought a 1070 for £420 (for gaming) in October 2016 and there were plenty of 1070’s more expensive than that. But nvidia get away with it because of people making a marginal upgrade for £££, same with those delidded 8700k people you mention. Sure, I also paid the money for a 1070 but I was coming from a 6950

Whilst miners will hold some blame for increases, due to causing supply issues, the gamers, particularly those with the incessant need to get 150fps instead of 120fps or something daft for a high cost, have also contributed to the state of affairs in recent years.

But people will spend their own money how they see fit, which can’t really be argued against.

 

[Swinbag]

As much as I'm dissapointed with the prices I with many others have already accepted the high prices as some gamers where happy to keep pushing prices up its now mining has had a massive effect on it.

Group A: Hey guys we have concerns that AMD/nVidia have no incentive to drop prices as long as people keep paying this inflated pricing, these cards are getting way too expensive for many. Remember when certain range of cards cost xxx / Costs where more resonable / People may start getting priced out if the market.

Group B: Don't like it dont buy it, poor AMD/nVidia have to make money, lololol poor people.

Mining craze is where we are now and group B is like: WWWAAAAAHHHH miners taking all the cards, they pushing the pricing up and now gamers cant afford the cards. They're worse then trump/brexit voters.

I dont mine and I have no intrest in doing so and I dont mind others mining but to shift all the blame on the people that do mine is pretty dumb when a lot of gamers where happy to keep paying rising card pricing even before the situation we're in now. I like how gamers where completely happy to pay 600/700/800 for a card and as soon as it goes up in price £40-80 they hit like a breaking point and no longer want the card, the cards where overpriced before and now you want out lol.

Dont get me started on people that are happy to pay insane pricing for delidded CPU's for an extra 200-400mhz. Intel really should corner that market but they proberly make more money then ever to bother.

Just about sums up my thoughts on the matter - well put!

 

[Cooper]

Of course the really depressing thing is that when Nvidia release new cards and if they're priced at sane levels, there will be so much pent up demand from people who have been holding off buying a new GPU for the last 6-12mths because of the cost, the chances of getting hold of one at MRSP for 6mths after release will be virtually zero...

..If Sony could rush released the PS5 (which of course they can't) they'd make a killing from frustrated PC gamers.

 

[melmac]

Seriously ? Lets just have a moment inspecting this.
Gamers do buy a card from time to time, as many miners already pointed out in drive for their self-justification. They do count the money as its not activity that is bringing money into their pocket (excl. exceptions), and tend to buy all year round, with consideration of sales and such.
Miners on other hand buy just for profit, so as long as the price fit into their scheme,they are taking everything they can.

So let me ask you this, where were you whole last year ? Why didn't you buy your cards cheaper whole 2017 ? Where were you when Christmas sales were on ?
Why the f-word are you buying it for obviously upped prices and in such amounts ? Make that stupid argument again, I dare you.
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On more civilized note, AMD APUs (and their Intel counterparts, sadly I am not following development on blue side much), even tho not the greatest things are scheduled to be released in near future, which could help the masses to overcome this GPU problem. If I want my dedicated graphics card at reasonable price though I will have to wait for mining bubble to burst (either PoW->PoS, or that the difficulty will rise faster than price or something along these lines) as I highly doubt cryptocurrency as whole will fail hard.

As a side note, there is one big rule in PC building, that should be obeyed at all times. Each part of such rig should be on par with all others, for obvious reasons.
If I am forced into lower segment of GPU market just not to pay for someones desire to make money, pardon me if I am not happy about that. I would be paying for card I don't want right now and will have to likely replace it later at loss of amount for lesser card, even if I happen to resale it for somewhat good money, which is unlikely.

I can make that argument again no problem at all. Before Christmas there were loads of Nvidia cards in stock at normal prices, even the first week of January prices weren't so bad. I see a lot of people in this thread complaining about not been able to buy a card all of a sudden. Most of them aren't even looking to buy, they are just complaining for the sake of it.

And where was I? I bought my card before Christmas, end of November. I bought a Vega 64 card. And a couple of weeks ago I sold it to a miner and bought a 1080Ti.

And your golden rule of PC building? What BS is that? The beauty of PC building is that you can chop and change and upgrade to other parts when you are ready.

Lastly, you always have the option to mine, rather than complain about it. It would cover the cost of the current inflated prices even if you just mine overnight. In fact you would probably end up better off than if you bought the card at normal prices and didn't mine.

 

[james.miller]

A lot of people wont be thinking about buying GPUs at christmas time, lol.

 

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[melmac]

Undone by "proberly" right at the end!

LOL missed that

 

[melmac]

Personally I think it's just a perfect storm of events that have led to the current price situation.

First: AMD have had problems with GloFlo, their yields haven't been great. And then they release Vega and that put even more pressure on them, especially when Vega turned out to be pretty good at mining. So AMD are on the back foot straight away with getting enough stock out.

Second: Nvidia. They are at the end of the Pascal range of cards. So they are probably ramping down production to get ready for their next generation of cards. They might have been caught with below normal stock levels as well.

Third: The prices of Ram and other electrical parts has increased.

Fourth: The mining boom after Xmas, which seems to be dying out already as mining profits have dropped a lot in the few days.

People are making dire predictions for 2018 based on the last two weeks. When it's not just as simple as miners buying all the cards, there are other factors to consider.

 

[Zeed]

Remember the floods? Yep, HDD's still cost more than before that event.

Remember the fire? Yep, DDR still costs more than before that event.

Both took place before the mining boom of Q2 2017.

The value of the £ against the $ has risen, but nope, prices are still in the pits on a lot of imports... supposedly brexit is to blame for that one.

Care about our environment? In what way? Councils are busy maximising their spending in order to look like they need more money and increase taxes.
Community? If I could actually go places without it costing an arm and a leg.. yep transport costs are up even though petrol/diesel came down and stabilised.

If you aren't trying to find an alternative channel of income, be it trading, mining, freelancing, etc then'll you'll fall behind with all the inflation occurring. The only real fix is to tell the BoE to stop printing notes, but of course they aren't going to do that since it doesn't affect them and their outrageous wages anyway.

Spot on man. I work full time and Year by Year I'm more poor. Stuff goes up wages are not ( **** they cut our department down by 10% few years back )

 

[Pocah]

As much as I'm dissapointed with the prices I with many others have already accepted the high prices as some gamers where happy to keep pushing prices up its now mining has had a massive effect on it.

Group A: Hey guys we have concerns that AMD/nVidia have no incentive to drop prices as long as people keep paying this inflated pricing, these cards are getting way too expensive for many. Remember when certain range of cards cost xxx / Costs where more resonable / People may start getting priced out if the market.

Group B: Don't like it dont buy it, poor AMD/nVidia have to make money, lololol poor people.

Mining craze is where we are now and group B is like: WWWAAAAAHHHH miners taking all the cards, they pushing the pricing up and now gamers cant afford the cards. They're worse then trump/brexit voters.

I dont mine and I have no intrest in doing so and I dont mind others mining but to shift all the blame on the people that do mine is pretty dumb when a lot of gamers where happy to keep paying rising card pricing even before the situation we're in now. I like how gamers where completely happy to pay 600/700/800 for a card and as soon as it goes up in price £40-80 they hit like a breaking point and no longer want the card, the cards where overpriced before and now you want out lol.

Dont get me started on people that are happy to pay insane pricing for delidded CPU's for an extra 200-400mhz. Intel really should corner that market but they proberly make more money then ever to bother.

I don't think it is AMD or NVIDIA that are boosting prices. As far as I understand it, it's the card manufacturers such as Gigabyte, Asus and so on.
Nvidia and AMD are not stupid. They know their market and they know how much they can charge. They are not at all happy with all this mining. It's destroying their base market. The thing is that they don't want to get involved in mining unless they can help it, because it's a very volatile market. They are trying to grit their teeth and keep hold of their gamers base. That's why you can buy an NVIDIA 1080ti way cheaper than say a Gigabyte 1080ti. But really I think they need to face up to the fact that they really need to do something about this. I think true "hardcore" gamers WILL pay the higher prices but I am pretty sure this will only be .01% of gamers as a whole. It's about time I upgraded but no way can I justify existing prices and I am sure many, many other gamers feel the same way.

 

[mid_gen]

I don't think it is AMD or NVIDIA that are boosting prices. As far as I understand it, it's the card manufacturers such as Gigabyte, Asus and so on.
Nvidia and AMD are not stupid. They know their market and they know how much they can charge. They are not at all happy with all this mining. It's destroying their base market. The thing is that they don't want to get involved in mining unless they can help it, because it's a very volatile market. They are trying to grit their teeth and keep hold of their gamers base. That's why you can buy an NVIDIA 1080ti way cheaper than say a Gigabyte 1080ti. But really I think they need to face up to the fact that they really need to do something about this. I think true "hardcore" gamers WILL pay the higher prices but I am pretty sure this will only be .01% of gamers as a whole. It's about time I upgraded but no way can I justify existing prices and I am sure many, many other gamers feel the same way.

All AMD and nVidia care about is shifting GPUs. All this talk of 'losing gamers' is ridiculous. What they going to do? Build their own GPUs in their garage?

As long as there is a PC gaming market, people will buy AMD and nVidia GPUs. If mining kills off PC gaming, people will still buy AMD and nVidia GPUs. If mining and PC gaming dies off and people just buy consoles, people will still be buying AMD and nVidia GPUs.

 

[Zeed]

Great time for my 7950 to die on me Looks like I'm going to be taking some time away from gaming until these prices settle down a little.

Reason I always sell cards few months before warranty ends. Only time I sold card after warranty was 290x and ****** died in transport... Lost 300 quid...... Nope NEVER keep **** pass waranty nowadays iots made to break :/

 

[Pocah]

All AMD and nVidia care about is shifting GPUs. All this talk of 'losing gamers' is ridiculous. What they going to do? Build their own GPUs in their garage?

As long as there is a PC gaming market, people will buy AMD and nVidia GPUs. If mining kills off PC gaming, people will still buy AMD and nVidia GPUs. If mining and PC gaming dies off and people just buy consoles, people will still be buying AMD and nVidia GPUs.

It's not a question of losing gamers. It's a question of losing what is recognised as a cost effective upgrade path. Up until recently it has been cost effective to upgrade your GPU every year or two. But if that is nolonger cost effective then NVIDIA volume sales to gamers will drop dramatically. Ultimately AMD and NVIDIA would rather have a nice consistent gamer base than a volatile miner base. Sure, they could just rely on consoles, but people replace graphics cards far more often than they replace a console.

 

[mid_gen]

It's not a question of losing gamers. It's a question of losing what is recognised as a cost effective upgrade path. Up until recently it has been cost effective to upgrade your GPU every year or two. But if that is nolonger cost effective then NVIDIA volume sales to gamers will drop dramatically. Ultimately AMD and NVIDIA would rather have a nice consistent gamer base than a volatile miner base. Sure, they could just rely on consoles, but people replace graphics cards far more often than they replace a console.

Gamers aren't going to stop buying GPUs. It's nonsense to suggest they will. nVidia and AMD don't give one tiny **** whether they are selling to miners or gamers, as long as they are selling.

No-one actually believes nVidia's PR man when he trots out the line about gamers....do they?

 

[TheSkateyBird]

Reason I always sell cards few months before warranty ends. Only time I sold card after warranty was 290x and ****** died in transport... Lost 300 quid...... Nope NEVER keep **** pass waranty nowadays iots made to break :/

Can't complain too much, I bought the 7950 for around £110 when OCUK had a batch of B-Grade ones around 3 years ago. So not too bad, just frustrating timing!

Good idea surrounding the warranty, may well do that if I ever buy a new GPU

 

[Zeed]

Can't complain too much, I bought the 7950 for around £110 when OCUK had a batch of B-Grade ones around 3 years ago. So not too bad, just frustrating timing!

Good idea surrounding the warranty, may well do that if I ever buy a new GPU

Im upgrading every 21-22 months does not matter if i need or dnt need to. ALL parts not only gpu. If waranty is about to end selling it my hardware is working 24/7 and its on maximum stable settings. Always been since 286sx

 

[henson0115]

Gamers aren't going to stop buying GPUs. It's nonsense to suggest they will. nVidia and AMD don't give one tiny **** whether they are selling to miners or gamers, as long as they are selling.

No-one actually believes nVidia's PR man when he trots out the line about gamers....do they?

they will do if they are priced out, which is the whole point of the conversation.