Boy, 15, admits causing crash in which five people died

So you don't think people should be held responsible for the actions of those they have direct control over? Charles Manson needs a posthumous pardon then. I guess Hitler too since as far as we know he never partook in any killings himself.

Oh and those charged for being in control of a dangerous dog. Let them go too.
Manson and Hitler were directly involved in ordering, arranging, whatever the killings of others. I’m pretty sure John Venables’ and the other one’s parents didn’t send them out with instructions to torture and kill a two year old.

You had a point when you said that the parents might have a case to answer for neglect, but now it’s getting silly.
 
It would keep him off the roads for longer which would most likely make them a safer place for those of us who just want to get from A to B in 1 piece...
Would it, though? It’s one driver off the roads at great expense to the public. The odds of him killing more people while driving is probably quite low, and it’s not like imprisoning him is likely to deter anyone else from driving dangerously.
 
Manson and Hitler were directly involved in ordering, arranging, whatever the killings of others. I’m pretty sure John Venables’ and the other one’s parents didn’t send them out with instructions to torture and kill a two year old.

You had a point when you said that the parents might have a case to answer for neglect, but now it’s getting silly.

But as you well know, you can be equally guilty by not acting. As an example if i witness something whilst on site that is dangerous and dont raise it I can be held culpable. The parents if those two raised kids who were monsters. Their direct inputs, or lack thereof turned the two in to what they are.

You see it all the times with families where the parents are persistent criminal scum the kids are too. Simply put it's the parents fault the kids turn in to that.
 
But as you well know, you can be equally guilty by not acting. As an example if i witness something whilst on site that is dangerous and dont raise it I can be held culpable. The parents if those two raised kids who were monsters. Their direct inputs, or lack thereof turned the two in to what they are.

You see it all the times with families where the parents are persistent criminal scum the kids are too. Simply put it's the parents fault the kids turn in to that.
Sure, but no one is ever going to be prosecuted for the offences of their children. That’s crazy.
 
Seems the police are pretty sure the Birmingham Audi / Taxi crash occupants were out dealing drugs, something not surprising to the authorities given previous form. The driver had cannabis in his system at the time of the fatal crash. Substantial speed (100 MPH in a 40MPH limit) also played a part in this dreadful accident. Inquest verdict on Wednesday, sentencing for two of the Audi's occupants has already been given by a greater power. .

"A driver who died along with five others when he lost control of his Audi at 100mph had cannabis in his system, an inquest has heard.

Birmingham Coroner's Court heard Kasar Jehangir's car ploughed sideways into a taxi coming the other way on Belgrave Middleway in Birmingham in December.

Taxi driver Imtiaz Mohammed, 33, was killed, along with passengers Lucy Davis and her partner Lee Jenkins.

A coroner concluded that the trio in the taxi died as a result of a crash.

Senior coroner Louise Hunt said: "Fundamentally, the cause of the collision was as a result of excessive speed."

She added that raised levels of chemical THC, from cannabis, found in Mr Jehangir's system "contributed to the manner of driving, and therefore contributed to the collision".

She said: "Before the collision occurred, it's likely the Audi was travelling between 94mph and 100mph in a 40mph limit."


PC Keith Evans told the inquest the Mr Jehangir and two of his passengers Tauqeer Hussain, 26, and Mohammed Fahsha, 30, were all thrown from the high-powered Audi S3 and suffered fatal "catastrophic head injuries".

The only survivor from the Audi, Zakkria Khan, 18, denied that the car's occupants had been out dealing drugs, but admitted he had smoked some.

However, Sgt Alan Hands told the inquest: "Based on the movements of the vehicle, intelligence surrounding this vehicle and the occupants, it would be a reasonable grounds to suspect they were in the area, dealing drugs from that car."

Tests found Mr Mohammed had traces of cocaine and another substance in his system, though this was "not a factor" in the crash on 17 December according to the collision investigator.

The inquest heard Mr Mohammed was not wearing his seat belt, but it would not have made a difference.

He and his passengers Ms Davis, a 43-year-old mother of two, and 42-year-old nuclear physicist Mr Jenkins - who were both wearing belts - all died from multiple injuries.

Mr Jehangir's Audi had two defective tyres and no-one in the car was wearing a seat belt, the inquest heard.

The coroner was told he was also found to have been carrying about £1,000 in cash.

The inquests of the Audi's occupants are due on Wednesday."
 
It tells you above why they suspected drug dealing

It doesn't give any specifics, it says based on "intelligence" they "suspect" which given the UK police could mean anything. No mention of drugs being found in the car or on the occupants which would seem to rule out drug dealing.
 
I had a friend who died to another friends drink driving. Whilst the driver did time, it ruined him for many years afterwards, the mother of the friend who died didn't blame the driver as he chose to get in the car and was actually taking him home, albeit at stupid speeds. He didn't have a seatbelt on and went out the window after hitting a lamp post.

As unfortunate as it is, he can't be held fully responsible for all those deaths. Well he can, but they all chose to get in a stolen car with an under age inexperienced driver and no doubt had a go themselves. The 12 year old I would possibly agree was naive, but in 2nd year of secondary school i knew right from wrong. I was 13 when i got my own car on a farm and knew to respect how dangerous they could be even just driving in open fields and a farm lane.

That said i do remember getting in a car young with someone to drop the car off at the end of the farm lane as none of us wished to risk driving on the road, and he ended up going round corners blind that could at any time have caused a crash - pure idiot and feared for my life at every corner.
 
It doesn't give any specifics, it says based on "intelligence" they "suspect" which given the UK police could mean anything. No mention of drugs being found in the car or on the occupants which would seem to rule out drug dealing.

Probably why they had £1000 in the car, they had sold their lot
 
Where is this mentioned? Tbf £1,000 between 5 people is not a huge sum, when I go out shopping we probably have that much in the car.

It’s mentioned in one of the posts above, the driver was found to be carrying that money

The police know the movements of the car and also had intelligence that the car and driver were involved with with drugs, that together with the money is enough to suspect they were dealing, I don’t see the problem as it is suspicious
 
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