James Bulger documentary

Fair enough, then yes I agree, given the blank canvas of a child, anyone could be moulded into someone "evil" given the "right" (wrong) circumstances. (Although i was under the impression that there are certain chemical "traits" which make certain behaviours more likely)

This can also happen to adults, I believe there were 6 steps between normal Germans being brainwashed into evil scum.
Pretty sure other genocides around the world also started with normal adults.
 
The documentary was heartbreaking! Whenever you see Denise, even 25 years on, the pain is still very much there and you can see how much she has to suffer from loosing James. That poor poor boy :(
 
What's your solution Ivan? You want to sterilise "low life scum" at birth? Who decides the criteria?

By all accounts, John Venables came from a stable family with caring parents.

Throughout the police interview, Jon was accompanied by his crestfallen parents Susan and Neil.

Jon only revealed his part in the tot's murder after they reassured him they'd still love him if he confessed.

Harrowing interview transcripts revealed how Susan wept with anger when Jon admitted being in the shopping centre the day Bulger was arrested.

They were helping the police coax the confession out of him.
 
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What's your solution Ivan? You want to sterilise "low life scum" at birth? Who decides the criteria?

There is no real solution to this unfortunately :( You can't take away people's rights to have children, even if they are likely to bring them up poorly.

Shame we can't have a system where people have to go through parental competency tests before being given a licence to breed though.....

That said, not all evil people are that way purely due to their upbringing. Some people are just evil by nature. But I don't believe thats many of them.
 
I always thought of an licence system to have kids would be a good idea, so many people have kids when they not ready, no decent job, not enough financial support for themselves or the kids which forces the state to support them.

It would also help with population problems in the long run that if you like it or not, is bound to happen.

Psychology tests given to kids as they travel through the school system to see if anything that could cause trouble in later years would be good, anyone caught in that could be given help so they don't turn into little somethings and go on a murder spree.
 
I always thought of an licence system to have kids would be a good idea, so many people have kids when they not ready, no decent job, not enough financial support for themselves or the kids which forces the state to support them.

It would also help with population problems in the long run that if you like it or not, is bound to happen.

Psychology tests given to kids as they travel through the school system to see if anything that could cause trouble in later years would be good, anyone caught in that could be given help so they don't turn into little somethings and go on a murder spree.

All I can say is, I'm glad you aren't in charge of a nation.
 
Is it really that a bad thing?

I mean, yes, in the face of it it seems a terribly bad and draconian idea, but you look at society at the minute and we’ll it doesn’t seem that daft does it.

Exactly.

But it depends on what sort of society we want. If we want order, it must be limited. If we want chaos we can keep churning out unlimited babies.

But the idea of a "licence" to reproduce is just utterly dangerous. We're just giving the government ultimate power to fuel their agendas of divide and conquer.

If there is a limit on reproduction it must be equal for all, even retards unfortunately.
 
I grew up not a million miles from Bootle, and was 14 at the time, so remember it quite vividly. I might be alone in this, but whilst the crime was obviously terrible seeing this documentary as an adult (and parent) a few things struck me;

- Was Boris right when he described Liverpudlians as being addicted to grief? Denise has allowed this to entirely rule her life. Given that she has other children, whilst she doesn't need to forget, doesn't she have a duty to herself, and her family to move on? Madeline McCain, anyone? I couldn't help but think that the shrine to James at her house was somewhat uncomfortable. I was also wondering what Trevor McDonald was actually thinking about this whilst sitting there being very polite.

- I would have much more compassion for Denise if she acknowledged the part she played in the abduction. I know it's easy to take your eye of a child for a second, I've done it. But by starting out by covering her arse and not acknowledging how she felt about her role, left me suspicious of her. I would be mortified and blame my self no end, irrespective of the actions of others. Why does this never come out? Why focus entirely on the actions of others? I find it discrediting.

- The wider communities behaviour as the vans past to enter court - the arrests, the public disorder. Is it really necessary? Is it an intelligent response? What positive thing do they think they are acheiving by causing disuption? It struck me as a misguided attempt to provide 'support', but ultimately has zero value other than creating some footage for the media. Its a completely emotional response.

Not wishing to perpetuate generalisations, but it re-inforced cultural opinions that I already had.
 
I always thought of an licence system to have kids would be a good idea, so many people have kids when they not ready, no decent job, not enough financial support for themselves or the kids which forces the state to support them.

It would also help with population problems in the long run that if you like it or not, is bound to happen.

Psychology tests given to kids as they travel through the school system to see if anything that could cause trouble in later years would be good, anyone caught in that could be given help so they don't turn into little somethings and go on a murder spree.

I look at the sheer overpopulation of the world today and also the type of people that seem to be breeding most and I start to think this wouldn't be a bad idea.

At the moment, the benefit spongers are churning out more and more benefit spongers and the hard working members of society are having fewer kids.

A licence to breed seems a little Draconian, but is it really that bad an idea looking at the current situation?

The way things are headed, we are going to be one big country full of people sponging off the system and nobody putting anything back in.

And it's these types of families that are most likely to produce little monsters like Thompson and Venables.

Certainly something needs to be done.
 
I grew up not a million miles from Bootle, and was 14 at the time, so remember it quite vividly. I might be alone in this, but whilst the crime was obviously terrible seeing this documentary as an adult (and parent) a few things struck me;

- Was Boris right when he described Liverpudlians as being addicted to grief? Denise has allowed this to entirely rule her life. Given that she has other children, whilst she doesn't need to forget, doesn't she have a duty to herself, and her family to move on? Madeline McCain, anyone? I couldn't help but think that the shrine to James at her house was somewhat uncomfortable. I was also wondering what Trevor McDonald was actually thinking about this whilst sitting there being very polite.

- I would have much more compassion for Denise if she acknowledged the part she played in the abduction. I know it's easy to take your eye of a child for a second, I've done it. But by starting out by covering her arse and not acknowledging how she felt about her role, left me suspicious of her. I would be mortified and blame my self no end, irrespective of the actions of others. Why does this never come out? Why focus entirely on the actions of others? I find it discrediting.

- The wider communities behaviour as the vans past to enter court - the arrests, the public disorder. Is it really necessary? Is it an intelligent response? What positive thing do they think they are acheiving by causing disuption? It struck me as a misguided attempt to provide 'support', but ultimately has zero value other than creating some footage for the media. Its a completely emotional response.

Not wishing to perpetuate generalisations, but it re-inforced cultural opinions that I already had.
I'm guessing the burden of him going missing weighs very heavy on her and probably plays some part in her not being able to get over it. She's probably also privy to more information about the details of what happened to him.
Imagine every day having to live with the thoughts of what he endured and knowing he was crying for her. As a dad I don't think it's something I would get over and would probably have the darkest thoughts imaginable just to stop the pain. She deserves a medal for going on
 
I haven't read this thread and every time I see it on the front page my heart skips a beat. I can't listen to the news about it. I can't watch the documentaries on it. Twenty five years ago I could do so easily. But now I have children I just can't contemplate it. I just feel so sorry for him and his family.
 
I look at the sheer overpopulation of the world today and also the type of people that seem to be breeding most and I start to think this wouldn't be a bad idea.

At the moment, the benefit spongers are churning out more and more benefit spongers and the hard working members of society are having fewer kids.

A licence to breed seems a little Draconian, but is it really that bad an idea looking at the current situation?

The way things are headed, we are going to be one big country full of people sponging off the system and nobody putting anything back in.

And it's these types of families that are most likely to produce little monsters like Thompson and Venables.

Certainly something needs to be done.
I'm not sure where you mean, from a personal point of view there are 1000s more good people than badin my town alone.
And employment in one form or another is at a record low
 
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