Nvidia Ampere might launch as GeForce GTX 2070 and 2080 on April 12th

[NirK]

I was planning to make the shift to 1440p later on this year, moving on from a 1070 and BenQ XL2411Z. It probably makes sense to wait for the 2070 or 2080 depending on pricing. I can't imagine the 2070 being much more than £400 surely? Hopefully the jump will be worth it.

I would not be at all surprised if the 1170 is 499 and the 1180 is 649 or similar. Actually I would be surprised if they were less than that.

It is a bit ridiculous really when you look at the consoles which are pretty much a small PC with a case and controller for about 400.

 

[Liamz51]

I would not be at all surprised if the 1170 is 499 and the 1180 is 649 or similar. Actually I would be surprised if they were less than that.

It is a bit ridiculous really when you look at the consoles which are pretty much a small PC with a case and controller for about 400.

It does feel like PC gaming is pricing itself into irrelevance. There has to come a point where the price of entry starts to limit the user base, I have a PS4 as well as a PC, playing Fallout 4 on the PS4 for instance is not as good as PC, but it is nearly as good, and there has to be a limit to how much people are willing to pay for the premium experience on PC.

 

[NirK]

PC gaming is a lot better than consoles, but when you look at the cost, I think a lot of people are starting to say "is it worth it", if you want to play at 4k 60fps, you are looking at about 2k for a PC. If you want to play at 1080p then that is easy on any half decent PC, but then you might be better off with an Xbox X or PS4 pro etc. Although I really cannot tolerate 30fps that some console games are at, it is not acceptable!

 

[Danny75]

Wonder if they might release something like 6GB/8GB/10GB versions of these cards, to help make some more affordable. They didn't do it last time with the 1070/80 but they had two versions for the 1060.

 

[Kirby Wurm]

I would not be at all surprised if the 1170 is 499 and the 1180 is 649 or similar. Actually I would be surprised if they were less than that.

It is a bit ridiculous really when you look at the consoles which are pretty much a small PC with a case and controller for about 400.

Didn't the 1080 FE launch at £650? I'd expect the 2080 to be more like £750 and the 2070 £500 (at least). No wonder engines aren't progressing at that great a rate, devs are likely concerned with keeping performance reasonable on old hardware (the 2014 970 being the most popular card on Steam for example).

 

[NirK]

Didn't the 1080 FE launch at £650? I'd expect the 2080 to be more like £750 and the 2070 £500 (at least). No wonder engines aren't progressing at that great a rate, devs are likely concerned with keeping performance reasonable on old hardware (the 2014 970 being the most popular card on Steam for example).

Probably because of consoles

 

[JTrickle]

devs are likely concerned with keeping performance reasonable on old hardware (the 2014 970 being the most popular card on Steam for example).

Bit suprised to see it less than 3%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960
14.21% 10.73%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
10.10% 9.98%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050
4.35% 4.21%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
2.80% 2.58%

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

 

[Quartz]

Wow. Nvidia is at 66% before you get to anyone else. I'd never have thought that AMD would be 'down in the noise'. I sorted by name and AMD is down at 6.89% even if you include the old ATI cards. No Vega cards mentioned, either. Of course, AMD hold the console market.

This could be dangerous for Nvidia. The PC gamer market is one of their big revenue streams, but if they price their cards too high for gamers then PC gamers will stop buying and there will be a vicious circle seeing PC games stagnate and disappear. So it's in their long-term interest to keep prices reasonably low.

 

[stuie]

I'm actually really hoping that these are great for miners, can you imagine the flood of 1070s and 80s hitting the market if these new cards mine 20% quicker and run more efficiant that the out going cards.

 

[Begbie]

I'm actually really hoping that these are great for miners, can you imagine the flood of 1070s and 80s hitting the market if these new cards mine 20% quicker and run more efficiant that the out going cards.

This is what I'm hoping for, either cheaper cards at release or a crash in the current line up. Doubtful mind.

 

[Hamfist]

I'm actually really hoping that these are great for miners, can you imagine the flood of 1070s and 80s hitting the market if these new cards mine 20% quicker and run more efficiant that the out going cards.

Won't happen. Every card is profit to a miner, until the cost of power is higher than the value of the coins being mined. They'll just buy the new ones too.

Unless the bitcoin market crashes, high GPU prices aren't going away.

If it did crash I'd be cautious about buying any of this generation anyway. How many "new" 1080's/Vega's would be returned mining gpus. Wouldn't put it past the card manufacturers. Just make sure you're getting either a long 3+ years warranty, 2nd hand & cheap, or next gen.

 

[D.P.]

Won't happen. Every card is profit to a miner, until the cost of power is higher than the value of the coins being mined. They'll just buy the new ones too.

Unless the bitcoin market crashes, high GPU prices aren't going away.

If it did crash I'd be cautious about buying any of this generation anyway. How many "new" 1080's/Vega's would be returned mining gpus. Wouldn't put it past the card manufacturers. Just make sure you're getting either a long 3+ years warranty, 2nd hand & cheap, or next gen.

But if they buy the new ones and don't sell the old ones they will ave to build a new system with PSU/CPU/MB/RAM etc. Maybe they are willing to do that to a small extent but soon you run-out of room in your garage etc, and cooling the room becomes problematic and expensive. So at some point you have to get rid of older systems that don't generate as much profit.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I'm actually really hoping that these are great for miners, can you imagine the flood of 1070s and 80s hitting the market if these new cards mine 20% quicker and run more efficiant that the out going cards.

AFAIK,wasn't the GTX1080 actually worse off than the GTX1070 with regards to mining,ie, the mining algorithms didn't seem to play nicely with it. This is what I read last year,and why I didn't bother with mine.

However,I would be a tad hesitant buying mining cards - mining seems to hammer the memory and if the card hasn't been used by someone who knows what they are doing,the RAM might be knackered.

 

[shamus21]

PC gaming is a lot better than consoles, but when you look at the cost, I think a lot of people are starting to say "is it worth it", if you want to play at 4k 60fps, you are looking at about 2k for a PC. If you want to play at 1080p then that is easy on any half decent PC, but then you might be better off with an Xbox X or PS4 pro etc. Although I really cannot tolerate 30fps that some console games are at, it is not acceptable!

I play at 4k most of the time but with pricing for GPU`s just going higher and higher it is becoming harder to justify the cost and I will just have to switch back to 1080 at some point.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I play at 4k most of the time but with pricing for GPU`s just going higher and higher it is becoming harder to justify the cost and I will just have to switch back to 1080 at some point.

I feel the same about qHD - its only double the resolution of 1080p,but you need a considerable amount more grunt to run games at the same settings as 1080p. I was playing ARK the other day,and it was noticable. My mate with his GTX1070 was getting much higher framerates at 1080p(obviously).

 

[Silent_Scone]

1440p to 1080p is pretty eye gouging, though. Especially on bigger panels. QHD is the sweet spot currently, IMO

AFAIK,wasn't the GTX1080 actually worse off than the GTX1070 with regards to mining,ie, the mining algorithms didn't seem to play nicely with it. This is what I read last year,and why I didn't bother with mine.

However,I would be a tad hesitant buying mining cards - mining seems to hammer the memory and if the card hasn't been used by someone who knows what they are doing,the RAM might be knackered.

Not sure how, it's not possible to alter anything on the VRAM that would cause long term degradation other than the fact it's being used.

 

[shamus21]

that `s the problem with going with a lower resolution the only way to improve that pixel issue is to get a smaller monitor 22 to 24" is not to bad for a 1080 res.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

1440p to 1080p is pretty eye gouging, though. Especially on bigger panels. QHD is the sweet spot currently, IMO

Yeah,I love the density on my 25" monitor for image editing,but definitely noticed the extra grunt needed.

Not sure how, it's not possible to alter anything on the VRAM that would cause long term degradation other than the fact it's being used.

Its more an issue if it has been overclocked,and whether the VRAM will start to have issues longer term if someone has overdid it. I would imagine people who had more of a clue,might not push too hard,as I suspect they might not want the downtime if the card is borked. But if they don't,then as someone who want to keep a card for at least two years maybe three,it might be just worth looking at something new. Normally I would not be against a secondhand card.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

1440p to 1080p is pretty eye gouging, though. Especially on bigger panels. QHD is the sweet spot currently, IMO

Yeah,I love the density on my 25" monitor for image editing,but definitely noticed the extra grunt needed.

Not sure how, it's not possible to alter anything on the VRAM that would cause long term degradation other than the fact it's being used.

Its more an issue if it has been overclocked,and whether the VRAM will start to have issues longer term if someone has overdid it. I would imagine people who had more of a clue,might not push too hard,as I suspect they might not want the downtime if the card is borked. But if they don't,then as someone who want to keep a card for at least two years maybe three,it might be just worth looking at something new. Normally I would not be against a secondhand card.

 

[Silent_Scone]

The frequency increase in itself isn't going to make a discernible difference, really.