You can enable k-boost, even with Pascal cards - though the odd model seems to lack firmware support for it - then set whatever clock - on Pascal you might still see throttling type behaviour from higher clocks if you are trying to use it to hold a maxed overclock but that isn't an issue if your intention is to hold back the clocks.
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You can enable k-boost, even with Pascal cards - though the odd model seems to lack firmware support for it - then set whatever clock - on Pascal you might still see throttling type behaviour from higher clocks if you are trying to use it to hold a maxed overclock but that isn't an issue if your intention is to hold back the clocks.
Well it happened to my last 4 geforce cards! They would degrade to a point where anything which touches on boost clocks (though not all games will) = intermittent system freeze. It literally took me months to diagnose it. But it's not happened once since switching to AMD on the exact same PC 2 years ago.
I found it's worse with factory OCed cards, I think they are pushing the overclock to far in combination with possibly low quality VRMs etc.
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Thats sometime next year i read.
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Yeah, all they've said is "sampling in 2018" which people are taking to mean not released in 2018.
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Why bother refreshing vega when Navi would be only months away then?
There was some roadmaps showing vega being sent to 7nm this year (i think) but i cant really remember, besides this is AMD so ...all bets off.
There was some roadmaps showing vega being sent to 7nm this year (i think) but i cant really remember, besides this is AMD so ...all bets off.
There was talk of Vega on 12FF - but I think amongst other issues AIBs got a bit funny due to the risk of them being dumped with 14nm stock they'd have a harder time getting rid of (not sure that is such a worry with the current mining stuff though). That seems to have completely disappeared from the roadmaps despite being talked about by people who are like number 2 and number 3 at AMD or whatever.
7nm shrink, at least initially, seems to be aimed at the workstation/professional products and not consumer Vega.
I think Navi, at least in the guise some here are talking of, is a long way off.
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I think we will find out one way or other when one of them (Amd or Nvidia) drops the news on there next line up, if nvidia just do a refresh of there current stuff on a smaller process with some tweaks you can bet AMD will be doing the same and vice versa.
I would like to think Navi is going to be before the end of next year but... well who knows.
I would like to think Navi is going to be before the end of next year but... well who knows.
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Navi is supposedly in 2020, only Polaris replacements are this year.
I didn't think we were getting any consumer GPU from AMD this year.
Unless they rebrand (ahem "refresh") Polaris... again?
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I wouldnt release anything until this mining rubbish crashed.
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Yup, the turbulence at RTG this last 6 months isn't going to have helped Navi. Expect Navi close or in 2020, and at that point it'll be upper mid-range so probably a Polaris replacement. Miners buying up stock will help them to get by til then.
7nm is not really going to be ready for mainstream GPUs in volume by end of year.
I do wonder on the value of a 7nm die shrunk vega. 7nm is a very different process to the 14nm so would require quite a lot of development costs, yet Vega clearly still has many design issues. a 12nm shrink of Pascal makes sense if released soon, as the 12nm is an optimization of the 16nm FF+ and Nvidia already has experience with Volta. Moreover, if Volta in some kind of gaming setup is relatively easy to get to from GV100. Spring next year should see mainstream 7nm GPUs.
When RX Vega 64 is around 60ish% faster than RX 580, a shrunk Vega on 7nm will be a very good performance upgrade in the same segment as currently the RX 580 is.
Vega is not that bad when it operates in its sweet region of voltages.
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This is definitely the nuclear bomb option, but you have to ask - Do nVidia want to kill RTG? I don't think they do, I think they only want them there to avoid any monopoly commission actions like MS suffered in the 90s/00s.
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As you say it is unlikely but I can dream (until April at least)
It's a shame AMD isn't in a stronger position, If they were Nvidia wouldn't think twice about supporting it.Older Playstation exclusives like the Last of Us and Red Dead are available on PC via PS Now, Many Xbox exclusives have or are meant to be coming to the Window store too, So far we have a couple of Forza's and two Gears of War titles.
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As you say it is unlikely but I can dream (until April at least)
If you're outselling your only rival by 10 cards to one then really it's like they're not there at all
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Tbf m8 you've been moaning your bag off about PC prices for the last 2-3 years on here, switching to console is probably the best move you could have made. Tbh I'm also tempted by a OneX, but really only have time for one gaming platform (would look ****ing good on my OLED though with all the HDR and ****!!!!!!)
Your own chart highlights the problems. Vega64 performs the same at the 1080, yet uses much more power, has a far larger die that is more expensive to produce and has lower yields, and uses much more expensive and complex memory that also affects yields.
Performance per watt, performance per mm^2 die area, and performance per $ production costs are long way behind the competition.
Besides which, this misses my point. It is ot easy or cheap to simply shrink vega down to 7nm, it is a very different process with different libraries, different constraints, different design requirements. If AMD are putting the effort and cost into that then they might as well re-engineer the architecture for better scalability and efficiency, otherwise the GPU will still be very underwhelming.