Youtuber dies of cancer after claiming Veganism cured it.

Rroff said:
People seem to increasingly be more and more deluded these days or maybe just the internet exposes it more :(
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On my Faecesbook timeline this Holland & Barrett cannabis oil is growing new body parts let alone curing cancer.

There was somebody yesterday claiming his brain tumour had now disappeared because he started to smoke weed every day.
 
I lost my mum to cancer at the end of 2016. Giving false hope to someone by promoting some fantastical cure like eating only watermelons for 4 months etc etc just makes the whole thing more difficult.
 
dowie said:
even 'educated' people will fall for this stuff sadly - Steve Jobs would have perhaps lived a bit longer if he hadn't decided to go down the route of "alternative"/bull**** cures
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It wouldn't have been a case of longer, his cancer was perfectly treatable had he seen an oncologist for treatment as recommended instead of going to a crystal healer.
 
Ayahuasca said:
But muh cannabis oil
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I've had grief over this one.

My wife died in 2012 of kidney cancer. Her family suggested cannabis oil. I had a conversation with her doctor who didn't say no just said "I don't want to know" and could not guarantee it wouldn't impact on other medication.

I said I didn't want to know either but she looked to me for advice and I said I wouldn't risk it.

Every time there is a get together with her family one or two of them trot out the "cannabis oil cured my mates mum" stories all aimed at me like it's my fault she died.

She was literally riddled with it and her right hip pretty much disintegrated but doesn't stop them, at least on some level, blaming me for not agreeing to giving her the oil.
 
EddScott said:
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Horrific, as far as I'm aware all it has evidence for is reducing nausea in some patients going through chemo, and many of the ones sold here aren't even a high enough percentage of CBD to do that, also the costs get astronomical at higher percentages.
 
EddScott said:
I've had grief over this one.

My wife died in 2012 of kidney cancer. Her family suggested cannabis oil. I had a conversation with her doctor who didn't say no just said "I don't want to know" and could not guarantee it wouldn't impact on other medication.

I said I didn't want to know either but she looked to me for advice and I said I wouldn't risk it.

Every time there is a get together with her family one or two of them trot out the "cannabis oil cured my mates mum" stories all aimed at me like it's my fault she died.

She was literally riddled with it and her right hip pretty much disintegrated but doesn't stop them, at least on some level, blaming me for not agreeing to giving her the oil.
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I'd probably have trouble not becoming violent so well done there.
 
PlacidCasual said:
All sorts of aberrant beliefs and behaviour are enabled by the internet. It was once the case if someone believed or behaved oddly they were isolated by the fact few people share their strangeness. The normalising effect of the rest of society would prevent the worst excesses. Now anyone can find a community of likeminded individuals. In most cases this might be positive relieving an individual of loneliness. But it also provides an opportunity for people to be encouraged into odder or less rational beliefs or behaviour.
People who believe odd ideas about health can now find people to agree with, tell them to stick up for their ideas. They can lock themselves in an echo chamber to reinforce their kooky idea and that crystallises into hardened misplaced belief.
I worry about society because of this.
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It’s time to turn the internet off.
 
robgmun said:
Very recently i have come to the conclusion that all this nutcases, gender fluids and SJW's would normally be classed as mentally ill and always been about, but the internet and social media has given then exposure and legitimacy that they shouldn't have.
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Personally I blame Muslim refugees from the EU, that and the horrific rise in homosexuality.
 
britain4 said:
I would probably do the same but not at the expense of getting proper medical treatment.

The internet is becoming a dangerous thing, many examples of similarly misinformed people forming groups and bolstering their own ill-informed views.
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For cancer the treatments can make you wish you were dead. Sometimes you just have to accept that death is inevitable and prolonging thing by a few months while suffering the side-effect of Chemo and the like are not really worth it. If stopping the main treatments to increase quality of life for the remaining months then by all mean try some alt-medicine junk.
Although this is a very different scenario to avoiding proper medical treatment from the outset.
 
EddScott said:
I've had grief over this one.

My wife died in 2012 of kidney cancer. Her family suggested cannabis oil. I had a conversation with her doctor who didn't say no just said "I don't want to know" and could not guarantee it wouldn't impact on other medication.

I said I didn't want to know either but she looked to me for advice and I said I wouldn't risk it.

Every time there is a get together with her family one or two of them trot out the "cannabis oil cured my mates mum" stories all aimed at me like it's my fault she died.

She was literally riddled with it and her right hip pretty much disintegrated but doesn't stop them, at least on some level, blaming me for not agreeing to giving her the oil.
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Unless you had a kid with her I would just not go around there anymore. You hardly need that.
 
Dewotter said:
Unless you had a kid with her I would just not go around there anymore. You hardly need that.
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2 children. Both of which adore their mother's family so can't really cut ties. However, I barely notice the thinly veiled accusations. For the most part it is like talking to children when dealing with that side of the family so the most they raise from me is the odd bemused smile.

To the matter at hand, there is often mention or references to cannabis "curing" cancer but I personally believe at best it helps with palliative care. The doctor handling my wife's case was quite a wise lady who almost exclusively dealt with terminal cancer patients. When we discussed the subject she put it to me that if cannabis was really the miracle cure some claim it to be why would the big pharma companies pour billions into machines and therapies when all they had to do was grow a plant for pennies and sell it to governments for pounds. The argument that it is deliberately suppressed for monetary gain doesn't stand up when you put it like that.
 
EddScott said:
2 children. Both of which adore their mother's family so can't really cut ties. However, I barely notice the thinly veiled accusations. For the most part it is like talking to children when dealing with that side of the family so the most they raise from me is the odd bemused smile.

To the matter at hand, there is often mention or references to cannabis "curing" cancer but I personally believe at best it helps with palliative care. The doctor handling my wife's case was quite a wise lady who almost exclusively dealt with terminal cancer patients. When we discussed the subject she put it to me that if cannabis was really the miracle cure some claim it to be why would the big pharma companies pour billions into machines and therapies when all they had to do was grow a plant for pennies and sell it to governments for pounds. The argument that it is deliberately suppressed for monetary gain doesn't stand up when you put it like that.
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yeah those arguments are nonsense and not how medicine works.

The argument i see is 'they couldn't patent it because it natural', which is total nonsense. If it worked, you would make a better version and patent the entire family.
 
aardvark said:
yeah those arguments are nonsense and not how medicine works.

The argument i see is 'they couldn't patent it because it natural', which is total nonsense. If it worked, you would make a better version and patent the entire family.
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The money/greed/power argument annoys me as well. Partly because it's nonsense and partly because it's blatantly hypocritical. It applies much better to alternative not-medicine than it does to medicine. There is a lot of power and profit to be had from selling magic spells and potions, now more than ever. For example, water can be sold at vast profit because it has been shaken a couple of dozen times and that makes it into a magic potion. That would have been a hard sell for a snakeoil seller in the past, but today they can shift loads of the stuff easily because the hard part of the con has already been done and the homeopathy industry has a lot of money for lobbying.
 
Ouch...............

Look I think veganism on paper is a great idea. I'm vegetarian sort of for similar moral reasons..... but the issue is it's been infested with morons. Veganism from a conservation / moral standpoint makes a lot of sense... (Big one for conservation considering how much the beef industry is destroying the environment).

But sheesh............... why do people have to take everything so far and become militant / retarded?
 
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