I find you sad. And the irony, you should use words correctly and accurately or else people will not understand you. "Beleive"
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Nvidia Ampere might launch as GeForce GTX 2070 and 2080 on April 12th
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I find you sad. And the irony, you should use words correctly and accurately or else people will not understand you. "Beleive"
Well its relevant to compare contemporary cards performance and price to establish whether the products are/ were 'high end' as this is a relative judgement on what is/was available in the market at a given time
Nvidia are selling beer - 20 bottles in the luxury 470 pack and 24 bottle crate 480 in the Deluxe pack.
You buy the luxury 20 pack with 470 stamp on it and are happy, you know there is a better pack with 24 bottles called the Deluxe 480 but you're happy with your 20 bottles
Next year they increase the alcohol content and call it the 570 twenty bottle luxury pack and the 580 twenty four bottle deluxe pack. Feeling good about the beer, you decide to go for the 24 bottle delux pack as it's the top pack you can get. You know they can't fit any more bottles into the crate so you go for it.
The following year Nvidia again increase the alcohol content and release the 20 bottle 670 pack and the 24 bottle deluxe 680 pack....with 22 bottles in it and call it the flagship 680 pack. You're like....hang on a minute, you can still fit another 2 bottles into the crate of 22, to make 24. 24 bottles is what the top pack always was from your experience, so this 22 bottle pack isn't the flagship, the 24 bottle pack is the flagship pack to buy.
This is what Nvidia have done. Re-named the beer pack with the high end branding as being the highest bottle count you can get in the crate....but it's not.
480 WAS the full chip
580 WAS the full chip
680 WAS NOT the full chip but the naming would lead you to believe it was.
My comments aren't about timescales they are about the core count, full usage chip. It's Nvidias sneaky use of the branding that bugs me. They put the 680 out knowing it wasn't ever going to be the top card of that chipset when in fact the 680 should really have been the 670 or possibly 670Ti. Slight of hand renaming...
You buy the luxury 20 pack with 470 stamp on it and are happy, you know there is a better pack with 24 bottles called the Deluxe 480 but you're happy with your 20 bottles
Next year they increase the alcohol content and call it the 570 twenty bottle luxury pack and the 580 twenty four bottle deluxe pack. Feeling good about the beer, you decide to go for the 24 bottle delux pack as it's the top pack you can get. You know they can't fit any more bottles into the crate so you go for it.
The following year Nvidia again increase the alcohol content and release the 20 bottle 670 pack and the 24 bottle deluxe 680 pack....with 22 bottles in it and call it the flagship 680 pack. You're like....hang on a minute, you can still fit another 2 bottles into the crate of 22, to make 24. 24 bottles is what the top pack always was from your experience, so this 22 bottle pack isn't the flagship, the 24 bottle pack is the flagship pack to buy.
This is what Nvidia have done. Re-named the beer pack with the high end branding as being the highest bottle count you can get in the crate....but it's not.
480 WAS the full chip
580 WAS the full chip
680 WAS NOT the full chip but the naming would lead you to believe it was.
My comments aren't about timescales they are about the core count, full usage chip. It's Nvidias sneaky use of the branding that bugs me. They put the 680 out knowing it wasn't ever going to be the top card of that chipset when in fact the 680 should really have been the 670 or possibly 670Ti. Slight of hand renaming...
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Sorry you have lost me there what exactly were you trying to say?
If it was an incorrect word or spelling like the original post having 'know' in it then that's accidental and largely down to being on a phone which is a convenient if not always totally accurate tool for posting. I do try to correct typo's or incorrect, auto spell checked words as I spot them in my posts...
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Rubbish analogy.... the amount of beer bottles in a crate and the alcohol content matter to a customer unlike the die size of a gpu and the memory bus width size.....
Unless you have some unusual phillia for bus width size and die sizes on GPU's
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I would hope any roadmap had separate lists for different architectures or revisions.
If a company initially brought out a lower or mid tier card that got to referred to as its ‘flagship’ product, surely they would be livid as it implies that they aren't going to release a faster product from (the same architecture) at a later date.
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Not sure it actually matters that much, not to me anyway. 
Demonstrably false ....
NVIDIA referred to their own GTX680 as a flagship product, on release, despite releasing a faster card (the 690) on the same architecture afterwards....
And how did they refer to the 690 on its release....
They also called their GTX 1080(non ti) their 'flagship' card on release despite subsequently releasing the 1080ti....( just in case anyone want to try and make silly points about the 690 being an Sli card so not comparable to the 680)
I don't think I need to tell you how they referred to their 1080ti on release do I?
Are nvidia 'livid' .. At themselves for describing the 680 and 1080 as being flagships on release because they released higher performing cards in the same series subsequently?
The obviously didn't call their first maxwell card, the 750ti, a flagship as it wasn't performance wise.
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it depends on if the 690 was on the said roadmap as the same time as the 660 670 and 680 though. if it wasn't, then referring to the 680 as a flagship would be correct.
As I said nvidia don't release road maps for cards.... When Nvidia released the 1080 they probably had a pretty good idea that they would be releasing the 1080ti down the line but yet still called the 1080 their flagship on release... Because it was their flagship at the time which is what matters.... Not products yet to be released
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Samsung called there S5 the flagship mobile phone in that era even after the release of the note 4 in the same year.
Flagship doesn't necessarily mean the top end of the range it could determine the most popular / most advertised product in the range. Or the model most associated with the company by the consumer.
Flagship doesn't necessarily mean the top end of the range it could determine the most popular / most advertised product in the range. Or the model most associated with the company by the consumer.
Flagship is usually used to denote something that pushes the boundaries in its respective line up whether that is performance, features or top end luxury - the Note 4 and S5 were flagships of their respective product lines which are aimed at different markets - the Note 4 is aimed more at the "phablet" market than the general phone market.
Concentrating on flagship though is a bit misleading you can slap the flagship line on anything that stands out in a market segment that doesn't necessarily make it a truly high end product.
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Nothing official. Just rumour, speculation and prediction....mine is something by May/June
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Where they the fastest single GPU cards at the time? Yes then its flagship at that time
So much nonsense in this thread.
NVidia are free to launch what they want when they want and call it what they want as well.
I don't think they have ever launched the smaller tier chip at the same time as the larger tier chip there has always been a gap. For example the 460 came out 4 months after the 480 ( which just for everyone's info wasn't a full chip either it only had 15 of the 16 possible SM's utilised).
So NVidia decided to move things around once the performance of the smaller tier chip was good enough to beat the previous larger tier chip, at least from that point on we have had new chips regularly, each year rather than longer gaps between generations.
Dare anyone start moaning about AMD's wonderful launch antics? or is it only ok to moan about NVidia's (not in this thread though please).
NVidia are free to launch what they want when they want and call it what they want as well.
I don't think they have ever launched the smaller tier chip at the same time as the larger tier chip there has always been a gap. For example the 460 came out 4 months after the 480 ( which just for everyone's info wasn't a full chip either it only had 15 of the 16 possible SM's utilised).
So NVidia decided to move things around once the performance of the smaller tier chip was good enough to beat the previous larger tier chip, at least from that point on we have had new chips regularly, each year rather than longer gaps between generations.
Dare anyone start moaning about AMD's wonderful launch antics? or is it only ok to moan about NVidia's (not in this thread though please).
It's clear that nV can charge top dollar for the xx04 chips because AMD isn't in the races.Dare anyone start moaning about AMD's wonderful launch antics? or is it only ok to moan about NVidia's (not in this thread though please).
That doesn't mean nV aren't milking us for every $.01 we're worth, because they are. But they are able to do so because of a) utter market dominance and b) no self-control on the part of the target audience.
Largely always been the case - GTX460 generally beat the 285 by about the same margins the 1080 beats the previous generation top end cards, likewise the midrange 8000 series were about the same versus the top end 7000 series - the 200 series was a bit of a exception there as the mid-range parts like the 250 were just previous generation top end cores pumped up a bit.
If nVidia had called the GTX460 a GTX480 and sold it as such back then there would have been **** to pay - for some reason come Kepler people have just let them.
The 680 and 690 were both flagship cards as they were not intended to compete in the same market.
The 680 was a single GPU card and the 690 was a dual GPU card.
At a push if you had to describe either of them as the flagship it would have been the 680 as two of them were slightly faster than a 690.
Hence why I included the 1080/1080ti Nvidia statements in anticipation of this point.
Point remains that lots of people label the 680 as being a mid range (non flagship) card due to die size and memory bus width not its performance