Sexual assault?

FoxEye said:
Putting your arm around a woman's shoulder these days is sexual harassment. Heck even a hug could be reported as sexual harassment today.

Admittedly that's no so "accidental", but it could potentially be done without even thinking about it, as for some it wouldn't even cross their minds that they were assaulting anybody.

It has now reached the stage where women can initiate hugs on men whenever they wish, but not vice versa. Because any unwanted physical contact from a man to a woman is very much now defined as sexual assault. Or regular assault.
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Have you actually spoken to any women recently? I know zero women who think like that.
 
Nasher said:
But if the law is balanced. It needs to be taken seriously both ways, surely?
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And I'm saying it probably would be *if* the man made the complaint, but we generally don't, so the law isn't even getting involved.

And hell, how much would you lot be complaining about the metrosexualisation of modern man if they did make such complaints!
 
Freakbro said:
As tongue in cheek that comment is, there also isn't the same threat level when a woman does something like that to a man than vice versa. if the man really doesn't want it it's unlikely the woman is then going to force him further using strength and/or violence.
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Again this is a nice bit of social conditioning... "men are all to be considered dangerous; predatory".

MikeTheNative said:
Have you actually spoken to any women recently? I know zero women who think like that.
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Of course not, I live in a blackened basement looking at hentai 24/7.

There's a few stories that hit the news recently - you may have seen them - about men being forced to resign for "inappropriate touching", where the touching was either hugging, putting arms around shoulders, or touching knees. Fully clothed; no kissing or sexual advances.

Are these women not representative of women generally? Are woman more likely to bring accusations against high-profile men? In what way are these news stories not real?
 
FoxEye said:
Again this is a nice bit of social conditioning... "men are all to be considered dangerous; predatory".
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I'm pretty sure that's not what I said...


Of course not, I live in a blackened basement looking at hentai 24/7.
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Ironwarrior...is that you? :p

There's a few stories that hit the news recently - you may have seen them - about men being forced to resign for "inappropriate touching", where the touching was either hugging, putting arms around shoulders, or touching knees. Fully clothed; no kissing or sexual advances.

Are these women not representative of women generally? Are woman more likely to bring accusations against high-profile men? In what way are these news stories not real?
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Right, now take how many (few) stories you are reading about and divide it by the number of times men touch women on knees, shoulders or hug them every day in this country, and tell me what % that is and then if it's significant % to be representative of what is going on in everyday life

Some people need to gain some perspective! :D
 
Freakbro said:
Right, now take how many (few) stories you are reading about and divide it by the number of times men touch women on knees, shoulders or hug them every day in this country, and tell me what % that is and then if it's significant % to be representative of what is going on in everyday life

Some people need to gain some perspective! :D
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I think you're missing the point.

There was general condemnation in the media and among women's rights groups. They all agreed that touching on knees, hugging without permission, arms around shoulders... was wrong (when men are doing it). They agreed that such acts on their own (without more serious accusations) were enough to warrant resignations.

This doesn't just apply to the few high-profile men that actually featured in the news stories. And no it wasn't Weinstein I'm thinking of... there was a bloke from the BBC iirc who resigned for touching a woman on the knee, and in his case the woman shrugged it off and said she wasn't bothered (I know this means "not all women"), but still commentators said it was right for him to resign, and that his conduct fell below the required standard. And that was purely for touching a knee.

The take-away for all men is that if you hug/touch knees/put arms around shoulders (etc), without explicit permission, you open yourself up to harassment charges. Maybe not even from the women being touched - maybe an observer sees you and reports you to HR or something...

Frankly who would take the risk?
 
Well judging by some of these posts i can be way more handsy at the next ocuk meet ;):p:eek:


Remember guys just relax and let it happen it :cool:
 
Tefal said:
Well judging by some of these posts i can be way more handsy at the next ocuk meet ;):p:eek:

Remember guys just relax and let it happen it :cool:
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I think the point is that it isn't a binary choice between "go limp and let it happen," or "go limp and let it happen followed by calling the Police and pressing charges".

I think that's the point being made :p
 
FoxEye said:
I think the point is that it isn't a binary choice between "go limp and let it happen," or "go limp and let it happen followed by calling the Police and pressing charges".

I think that's the point being made :p
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One day foxeye ill tske you to a gay bar and we can find out just how you handle being unwillingly felt up.

Cause the vast vast majoriy of people just kinda freeze and have no idea what to do or say. They may eventually no or brush it off but its not like when you think about it there is a deer in the headlights moment of "wtf is happening"

But for this to have gone to the police and this far there is much much more to this than is let on by the papers.
 
Tefal said:
One day foxeye ill tske you to a gay bar and we can find out just how you handle being unwillingly felt up.
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Gay guys must have extremely low standards then. I could always take a paper bag to make it a fair test :p

However I wouldn't be in a gay bar because the very act of being there is implying that you're, well, fair game. And this is quite a specific situation I'm commenting on, which doesn't translate to women being "fair game" in a typical bar. We are probably all aware of the stereotypes surrounding gay males and their... I'll be blunt... increased promiscuity and penchant for one-night stands/casual sex.

In short being in a gay bar is very different situation to being in a workplace, typical bar, club, etc.
 
FoxEye said:
Gay guys must have extremely low standards then. I could always take a paper bag to make it a fair test :p

However I wouldn't be in a gay bar because the very act of being there is implying that you're, well, fair game. And this is quite a specific situation I'm commenting on, which doesn't translate to women being "fair game" in a typical bar. We are probably all aware of the stereotypes surrounding gay males and their... I'll be blunt... increased promiscuity and penchant for one-night stands/casual sex.

In short being in a gay bar is very different situation to being in a workplace, typical bar, club, etc.
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Wow and no its no differnt. Because that steretype is just men in general not gay men
 
Tefal said:
Wow and no its no differnt.
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Gay guys have more casual sex than straight guys. Read an article on that yonks ago. There are statistic around to prove it (I'm not Googling that whilst logged in to my Google profile!).

And it makes sense given what we know about the differences between male attitudes to sex and female attitudes, once generalised across the whole population.
 
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