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Fair enough, good post.
A rise in forum toxicity.
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Fair enough, good post.
It's the rise of Twitter and also the fact that loads of Angry Middle Aged White Men have access to smartphones.
I think they are also referred to as "Gammons" but haven't bothered to research why?
Heck even grindr is now full of profiles saying "dont message me if you voted leave/are a tory/communist/Labour supporter"
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F1 section is worse if you present a statement with data to back it up
Mods delete your post and ban you from threads
Mods delete your post and ban you from threads
No, you just ignore warnings and don’t stay on topic. Rocket science, it is not.
Exactly. People are so entrenched in a certain view that they think the other side are incapable of being correct on a single point. That's myopic. It's being brainwashed.
I don't think I could accuse people of any political persuasion that every premise they suggest has no basis. That would be incredibly blinkered.
I’d disagree. I think many of us have long term memories of certain posters and what they’ve said in certain contexts. That can lead to “issues” in the present though, both in that without knowing past interactions and posts by that user a comment can look unduly harsh or out of context, but also give people preconceived notions of what the poster is actually saying based on what they’ve said in the past.
Honestly though I think Tefal has just got older and “wiser”. I don’t think things have really changed. Remember Platinum (still here) El Raz, DVDbunny, Kedge (as mentioned) and a myriad of others. The Lol **** meme has been going strong for the decade or more I’ve been here. The person picked because they seem to show a consistent posting style of cringeworthy/illogical/stupid posts.
That said, that didn’t mean posters shouldn’t be treated with respect when they post something sensible, the issue lies as always with knowing whether it’s worth posting anything you’ve had to think about because you’re not quite sure if they’re just a troll/are going to take any notice anyway.
That said, the significant increase in divisive politics in the last few years surely hasn’t helped. You apparently now have to have a side, you can’t just float in the middle. The reduced weight of real evidence, “experts” and real news for “fake” news and internet celebrities surely can’t have helped either.
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Cavaliers weren't the good guys you royalist pig!!
Brexiteer isn't anything to do with Cavalier (though I do appreciate the joke) it's nothing more than the -eer suffix like in Engineer, which is from latin for "one who does". -ier suffix is actually slightly different in that it means "one who's profession involves".
Dj "Party pooper" Jestar.
Dj "Party pooper" Jestar.
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That's what happens when we are told during brexit campaigning that people are 'tired of experts'
I thought the Cavaliers were fighting the Royalists, meh English history was never that interesting to me.
It is, that's where the name comes from, a newspaper spliced Brexit and Cavalier (along with amusing cartoon) and it stuck.
*EDIT*
My bad, it was Musketeer not Cavalier /facepalm.
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Cavaliers WERE the royalists. I'm a republican, therefore I would have joined the Roundheads. But I would have been very envious of their fabulous hats.
And there was me thinking it was a portmanteau of Brexit and musketeer.
I do think the Brexit thread both interesting and depressing. There is such an overwhelming group think that, even as a remainer, if you post anything critical of the EU you get called a Brexiteer and are basically shouted down.
Sadly our politics is going the same way as the states where it is getting more and more polarised with less and less middle ground. You are either with us or against sort of mentality.
Musket-eer
The thing I’ve noticed, if you show balanced, calm, rational views to cover all angles you’re classed as extreme right wing. What the hell is that?
As far as I’m concerned the political system and the entire media should be nuked into orbit. They are the ones that are cancer and have caused all this. Get all the people fighting together so they aren’t targeted.
But! Tweet us in your views, hashtag!
Everything is about trending to hammer those clicks with outrage. The real trolls are the media.
I think you give the political system too much credit, and the media rags, they didn't create this online monster.
1) Retailers realised that machine learning + highly internet connected populace = a gigantic money-making machine.
2) Media companies realised through these techniques that outrage was the quickest, cheapest and easiest way to get clicks, and clicks are the only way to survive in the internet age.
3) Politicians and malicious actors realised that it's possible to bring all this together to influence entire nation states.
Not sure what the answer is tbh..
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I feel the forums have simply been allowed to degrade over the years and that mob rule has taken over the place. It's time for a little of the old education, moderation or eradication in my book.
As a pre-nuke member I recall many an interesting thread back in the day from the likes of MindYerBeak (to mention one amongst a vast swathe of 'good posters' back then). In those days things were generally well reasoned and thought through by people and the replies, counter arguments and subsequent comment as a whole was usually up the the mark too. Flaming, wind-ups and other throw away quips attempting to gain the higher ground or one-up-manship as a whole was rare. Now, having just taken a quick look in Speakers Corner I see that a lot of the replies these days are like the GD of old - one liners, sound bites, bandwagon drivel and other 'turn your brain off' nonsense, that frankly add little or nothing to the threads therein - this is a shame.
For me a good indicator of this ongoing decline have been the threads pertaining to the Hillsborough disaster, which I followed and added to, that have been going on and off for many a long year both here in GD and in the Football section. On the whole they started off well meaning as I recall and people answered other's questions about the disaster and some of the ensuing injustices that followed. This would then usually lead on to more well meaning questions or a simple thank you or even the occasional, "wow, that's utterly appalling - I'll go and read up about this right now" type of response. All was going well. Then very slowly the occasional odd comment would creep in that initially just seemed that - odd. These were followed by more dubious ones and as the years went by we arrived at completely one sided, non-listening and some plainly obnoxious ones that flew in the face of all rational and in fact the truth.
Just to put the above into context, these threads were not of today's serious nature at all, such as the much regaled "International Men's Day" and the like that we often see on these hallowed forums. No, these few meager threads concerned the loss of 96 people's lives at Britain's worst sporting disaster and the injustices, lies and cover up by the media, police and indeed our own government over the past 28 years.
We've ended up with a lot less interesting, a more confrontational and certainly a lot less happy and welcoming place to be these days, I'd hope you'd agree.
So...instead of feeling a little like a daily edition of The Lord of the Flies on here, how about a little more moderation for a while? OCUK could be at the forefront of a new and better way of doing things instead of going with the flow and being the same as anywhere else. Point out the error in certain people's way of thinking - be a little bit more strict in regards to silliness in serious threads and remove the general detritus with a reason at to why for all to see. Speakers Corner might be a good place to start - it would be nice to actually see some intelligent debate in between all the twaddle and ineptness that frequents the place once again. Then after a few weeks compare notes and see how things are - are things better or worse now? Hell, one idea might be to change a few people's forum names as a separate exercise maybe, as it seems like a lot of posters simply start off with a boxing-stance like approach when they interact with certain others, based wholly on who they are, rather than what they saying.
Here's hoping that some of the 'lost in life' posters on here these days would either tag along with the new impetus, adhere to a couple of new rules begrudgingly if need be or simply be washed away in the swelling tide of sensibility and happiness on the new forums
As a pre-nuke member I recall many an interesting thread back in the day from the likes of MindYerBeak (to mention one amongst a vast swathe of 'good posters' back then). In those days things were generally well reasoned and thought through by people and the replies, counter arguments and subsequent comment as a whole was usually up the the mark too. Flaming, wind-ups and other throw away quips attempting to gain the higher ground or one-up-manship as a whole was rare. Now, having just taken a quick look in Speakers Corner I see that a lot of the replies these days are like the GD of old - one liners, sound bites, bandwagon drivel and other 'turn your brain off' nonsense, that frankly add little or nothing to the threads therein - this is a shame.
For me a good indicator of this ongoing decline have been the threads pertaining to the Hillsborough disaster, which I followed and added to, that have been going on and off for many a long year both here in GD and in the Football section. On the whole they started off well meaning as I recall and people answered other's questions about the disaster and some of the ensuing injustices that followed. This would then usually lead on to more well meaning questions or a simple thank you or even the occasional, "wow, that's utterly appalling - I'll go and read up about this right now" type of response. All was going well. Then very slowly the occasional odd comment would creep in that initially just seemed that - odd. These were followed by more dubious ones and as the years went by we arrived at completely one sided, non-listening and some plainly obnoxious ones that flew in the face of all rational and in fact the truth.
Just to put the above into context, these threads were not of today's serious nature at all, such as the much regaled "International Men's Day" and the like that we often see on these hallowed forums. No, these few meager threads concerned the loss of 96 people's lives at Britain's worst sporting disaster and the injustices, lies and cover up by the media, police and indeed our own government over the past 28 years.
We've ended up with a lot less interesting, a more confrontational and certainly a lot less happy and welcoming place to be these days, I'd hope you'd agree.
So...instead of feeling a little like a daily edition of The Lord of the Flies on here, how about a little more moderation for a while? OCUK could be at the forefront of a new and better way of doing things instead of going with the flow and being the same as anywhere else. Point out the error in certain people's way of thinking - be a little bit more strict in regards to silliness in serious threads and remove the general detritus with a reason at to why for all to see. Speakers Corner might be a good place to start - it would be nice to actually see some intelligent debate in between all the twaddle and ineptness that frequents the place once again. Then after a few weeks compare notes and see how things are - are things better or worse now? Hell, one idea might be to change a few people's forum names as a separate exercise maybe, as it seems like a lot of posters simply start off with a boxing-stance like approach when they interact with certain others, based wholly on who they are, rather than what they saying.
Here's hoping that some of the 'lost in life' posters on here these days would either tag along with the new impetus, adhere to a couple of new rules begrudgingly if need be or simply be washed away in the swelling tide of sensibility and happiness on the new forums
Didn't help the former owner would ban anyone he deemed "a liberal" which basically meant anyone with even a slight sense of humour or presence on this forum, which included MYB, 2Blue, GordyHand, and some other moderators that were principal "content providers".
Hmm..I seem to recall having a pop at said previous owner in regards to his views on the US and the people as a whole, both in the forums and in private. It may be down to the way you say it, maybe.