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[H]ardOCP: GeForce Partner Program Impacts Consumer Choice

Silent_Scone said:
That's your post that uses the word blame, mate.

You're using the prefix for it being AMD's fault that this is happened. No, but it's large and part the reason it's been allowed to.

Hope that helps...


Honestly, I'd just bow out until there's some competition. At least that way it'll be easier to construct an argument.
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Wow, you're still going after you tripped up as hard as you just did? You've at least got determination, even if facts and reality isn't your strong point.
 
KillBoY_UK said:
wrong, it was used in GTA IV and V at the very least I know for a fact but its a handfull of games that uses it where there are many many more PhysX titles out there (the general library rather than the hardware physics)

Opens source tech is hard to push in a lot of cases, as a commercial company will take it but you make it your own and not send any new developments back, also a lack of a single company pushing it or providing its support
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Tress FX wasn't used in GTA 4 and 5...
 
Legality is never the concern.

Let me put it this way, Intel were fined $2bn for their shenanigans, that was pennies to pay compared to what Intel gained out of it, the whole point was to push AMD to the brink of bankruptcy by denying them sales for what was about 5 years, and wittle down their market share to nothing.

That is exactly what Intel achieved, they virtually killed AMD off and took control of the market for them selves, $2bn is a very very small price to pay to achieve that.

nVidia are looking to do the same thing because they can and its what they want.

Enjoy a brave new world order in the PC gaming space. because this is not to benefit you or me, oh we will pay for this and pay hard.
 
humbug said:
oh we will pay for this and pay hard.
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The majority will pay, I won't pay a penny for DGPU until the pricing madness and stagnation is over xD. DGPU space has never been so dull and expensive before.

Nvidia's bad behaviour will be ignored as usual and I bet peeps lap up the new GTX 1180 at around £899. (Not even the top end card) Crazy times?
 
james.miller said:
You missed the part where Nvidia 'suggested' that partners would lose launch-partner status and mpp funding. In other words, "we'll bung you money If you drop AMD products from your gaming range. Don't do that and you might not be a launch partner any more. And the bungs will stop"

As for NV joining freesync...It's royalty free.
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Freesync belongs to amd, Nv can't join it. They can only adapt Adaptive sync and call it whatever. And no, from the info at the moment there is nothing about droping AMD from a gaming range. It's just that Nv likes to have a different brand for themselfes, than for AMD, which isn't anything special. We don't even know whether it's about ROG. It can also be that they like to have a differenciation in card names like Strix etc, which is nothing big. You can also look at motherboards and you see, that Asus uses different brands for AMD and Intel. There's Asus Crosshair for AMD and Asus Maximus for Intel. Where is now the big problem, if we get the same for gpus? Who cares whether in the future all AMDs are called different than Nvidias? There's too little information at the moment to really know what's up with this program.
 
Um adaptive sync is free sync to all intents and purposes. Sure, AMDs marketing name can't be used by Nvidia but exactly all of the tech can be. It is, after all, the child of both companies and already used by both.

There is a huge difference between a marketing name and a deal that locks the other side out especially with one party in a dominant position. There are clear laws in these areas already but they are massively too slow to respond.
 
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Samwell said:
Freesync belongs to amd, Nv can't join it.They can only adapt Adaptive sync and call it whatever. And no, from the info at the moment there is nothing about droping AMD from a gaming range. It's just that Nv likes to have a different brand for themselfes, than for AMD, which isn't anything special.
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Freesync is free to impliment and use. NVidia coukd if they wanted to. But anyway, what david said plus Nvidia alread use adaptive sync in their mobile parts. As for there being nothing about dropping AMD, it's all there in the article.

The crux of the issue with NVIDIA GPP comes down to a single requirement in order to be part of GPP. In order to have access to the GPP program, its partners must have its "Gaming Brand Aligned Exclusively With GeForce." I have read documents with this requirement spelled out on it
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What that actually means is also explained in the article. Lets hope it's as simple as you think :)
 
The crux of the issue with NVIDIA GPP comes down to a single requirement in order to be part of GPP. In order to have access to the GPP program, its partners must have its "Gaming Brand Aligned Exclusively With GeForce." I have read documents with this requirement spelled out on it
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Another article saying I read this and I read that and this person said this and this person said that. Show the proof or shut up. Conspiracy theory that Nvidia paid HardOCP to show the article in light of impending GPU releases to promote public discussion and keep Nvidia in the headlines. Marketing ploy.

Reading between the lines the GPP programme just sounds like an attempt to kill off the competition once and for all. Thing is nothing to stop Nvidia changing their minds and not doing it. Wont be any half inch off their nose as it got people talking about Nvidia. Doesnt matter whether its positive or negative comments, someone slagging off Nvidia is one less person talking about AMD !

Its a win win situation. Saying you are never going to buy a Nvidia card ever doesnt look very rosy when the competition is only AMD with no cards to release !

Just bite the bullet I`m not going to be buying a new GPU for at least 4-5 years. Vote with your wallet !

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spoffle said:
Wow, you're still going after you tripped up as hard as you just did? You've at least got determination, even if facts and reality isn't your strong point.
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I've got more facts on this than you do buddy ;)

DragonQ said:
IIRC the article mentions that it's all about the branding, using Asus' ROG branding as an example. If they sell nVidia products as part of the ROG brand, they can't sell competitors' products under that brand too. This isn't about Asus as a whole not being able to sell AMD or Intel GPUs, so in that regard it's not as brazen as what Intel did back in the 2000s.
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Correct. Not really sure being under the same brand makes a GPU any better or worse, mind you.
 
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james.miller said:
As for there being nothing about dropping AMD, it's all there in the article.

What that actually means is also explained in the article. Lets hope it's as simple as you think :)
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Yes, but is the article based on more than speculation?

Graphics card companies can then have as many brands as they like, so long as they are separated along green and red boundaries. That means Asus could have a Republic of Gamers Mars brand, which only sells Nvidia, but also a Republic of Gamers Ares brand that is exclusively AMD-based. GPP isn’t going to stop any company from selling AMD GPUs as specifically gaming graphics cards.
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https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia-geforce-partner-program-amd-impact

As they write it's not even about ROG, just about the pure name. I really don't care that Nvidia and AMD gpus will have a distinct name in the future and don't see the problem in it.
 
I'm fairly certain Nvidias wording was along the lines of "You cannot make a "Gaming" brand card for AMD and be in the GPP, as Gaming brand has to be exclusively linked to Nvidia"

Basically they want the mindshare that only Nvidia make gaming branded GPUs and AMD do not make gaming brand GPUs.

So essentially Asus would sign over RoG products exclusively to Nvidia, and Strix etc etc, anything they made for AMD could not have a single hint that it is a Gaming orientated product.

Same for Gigabyte with Aorus etc.

Essentially Nvidia are trying to dictate to the partners that their gaming brands should only exclusively be for Nvidia products and they essentially cannot manufacturer and market ANY gaming products for AMD and remain in GPP.

It essence it stinks to high heaven, and it's quite an arrogant stance, to believe you are more powerful than the brands that sell your products.
 
So do people now buy AMD cards? Do we lesser our GFX and drop settings because NVidia is the devil? Unfortunately for me, I like my 3440x1440 100Hz GSync screen very much and would hate to cut off my nose to spite my face!
 
andybird123 said:
So not at all what hardocp were claiming, based on being put up to it by AMD. Why am I not surprised at yet another FUD attempt coming out of team red. :rolleyes:
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So you missed the part about KB doing his own investigation for 3 weeks after not relying on AMDs information, and that no ODM or OEM employees would talk on record, only off?

Of course you didn't. Get thee gone, Focus Group Shill.
 
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