Irrational tyre views?

sure I'm re-iterating views already said.....
... its the only part of the car that touches the tarmac, I don't know how people can skimp, its amazing what expensive cars you see with below average rubber

uniroyal rainsport 3 all round on mine - love them
 
agw_01 said:
At least they are some of the more well known budget brands. While waiting at traffic lights I sometimes have a peek at the car next to me to see what tyres they're running and there are some god awful sounding brands out there!
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I actually noticed on a 320d yesterday morning that they'd spent more money on rubbish modifications than the four Chinese ditch finders they had fitted. Something stupid as a name, but "Ultra high performance" was in there. :D
 
eviled said:
sure I'm re-iterating views already said.....
... its the only part of the car that touches the tarmac, I don't know how people can skimp, its amazing what expensive cars you see with below average rubber

uniroyal rainsport 3 all round on mine - love them
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So you did skimp on the rubber then.

Ryan-3 said:
I actually noticed on a 320d yesterday morning that they'd spent more money on rubbish modifications than the four Chinese ditch finders they had fitted. Something stupid as a name, but "Ultra high performance" was in there. :D
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Ultra High Performance, or UHP, is the type of tyre. Not the name.
 
Nasher said:
Under 3mm is ok on a good tyre. But not on a bad tyre.
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No. It leads to a stark performance differnce regardless of the tyre. Whilst it may be the case that an ultra high performance tyre with 3mm of tread performs as well as a budget tyre with 7mm of tread, a premium tyre with 3mm of tread does not perform as well as a premium tyre with 7mm of tread. See this video from 01:45 to 02:20 or so.

Ultimately no matter the tyre you have fitted, its performance starts dropping off sharply as you dip below 3mm.

The only way to combat this would be for both the legal minimum tread depth to be raised (ideally to 2mm or higher) AND for changes to be made to the minimum standards of allowed grip for tyres in general.
 
xs2man said:
So you did skimp on the rubber then
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Stuff like this doesn't help the cause....... The Rainsport 3 is a perfectly capable tyre and is far removed from the terrible budget options out there. Suggesting that everyone go out and fit Pilot Sport 4's is as unhelpful as those who think £20 remoulds are acceptable.
 
BinnsY said:
Stuff like this doesn't help the cause....... The Rainsport 3 is a perfectly capable tyre and is far removed from the terrible budget options out there. Suggesting that everyone go out and fit Pilot Sport 4's is as unhelpful as those who think £20 remoulds are acceptable.
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It's perfectly capable for its initial cost, yes. My personal complaint with RS3's isn't so much on the performance side, although they are no premium UHP contender, they do perform reasonably well against other, mid-range, touring tyres. Granted I dislike the super soft sidewalls on them. But compared to the triangles and fortunas of this world, I agree, they are a far cry from the worst. I also agree that PS4's may well not be for everyone. However, on a purely cost basis, for the most part, the pence per mile will favour the PS4's over the RS3's in most cases. Which is why I personally wouldn't buy the RS3's again. Why would I pay a premium for a tyre that doesn't perform as well?

That wasn't my point. My point was that he said he doesn't understand why people "skimp" on their tyres, then proceeds to state he has the cheapest possible tyre that can be considered any good at all. There are significantly better tyres available, but at a greater cost. So there was a decision made there to "skimp" on the tyres. Maybe not to the extent of someone who runs HiFly's on their car, but certainly there was a degree of cost-cutting involved in the choice to pick the RS3's. Even if that cost-cutting was all on the initial purchase price, with zero consideration for overall running costs.
 
NoNameNoNumber said:
Rainsport 3 £65
Pilot sport 4 £105

Not really apples to apples...
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Rainsport 3 £65 Expected life: 10-12k ppm=0.54
Pilot sport 4 £105 Expected life: 30k+ ppm=0.35

Granted, I believe you might actually get more miles depending on driving style, but I've never had more than 10-12k out of RS3's (my calcs are based on an optimistic 12k on the RS3's, and wholly realistic 30k on PS4's). Interwebs is full of reports of over 30k out of PS4's, even on the back of C63's. But you only need to get 19,500 miles out the PS4's for them to cost the same as the RS3's. And even then, you are looking at a completely different league of performance for that same cost.
 
I'm not really getting this Uniroyal love in on here. I've had Rainsports on a Golf GTE and, whilst they were okay, they didn't blow my socks off and they needed replacing a lot sooner than other brands.

All of my cars have had quality tyres on them. If it came with Michelin then I will just stick with those for continuity. I've had Pirelli, Continental and a few other manufacturers and never felt the need to strip a car of all of the tyres for a full set.

My works vans have always been outfitted with utter garbage and I've not managed to slide into a ditch in 15 years of driving on them.

My only advice would be try to keep the same tyres on an axle, there's no point worrying if you've got Conti's on the front and Avon's on the back
 
xs2man said:
Rainsport 3 £65 Expected life: 10-12k ppm=0.54
Pilot sport 4 £105 Expected life: 30k+ ppm=0.35

Granted, I believe you might actually get more miles depending on driving style, but I've never had more than 10-12k out of RS3's (my calcs are based on an optimistic 12k on the RS3's, and wholly realistic 30k on PS4's). Interwebs is full of reports of over 30k out of PS4's, even on the back of C63's. But you only need to get 19,500 miles out the PS4's for them to cost the same as the RS3's. And even then, you are looking at a completely different league of performance for that same cost.
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30k+ out of the PS4? I only manage 12k out of the ps3 on the driven wheels. Are they that much better for wear?
 
Foghorn Leghorn said:
30k+ out of the PS4? I only manage 12k out of the ps3 on the driven wheels. Are they that much better for wear?
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That's what the tyre reviews suggest. I can't give a proper indication as I only did about 8k on the second hand set I had on my ED30 before I sold it. But even then, there was over 6mm tread left all round, so 30k doesn't seem unreasonable at all.
 
Just tell her you will pay half and get them done, I’d not let my Mrs drive about on tyres like that.
 
I got through a set of MPS4S in around a year which included:

Silverstone (very high speed circuit lots of long lateral corners)
Donnington x2 (very twisty and tight)
2 Airfield charity days (insane lateral cornering speeds)
2 or 3 trips to curby
Lots of drag racing
6000 miles of Daily driver with many, many traffic light grand prix

And they came off the car with around 2.8mm of tread.

All considered, 30k miles on a daily driver is highly probable as most cars arnt 600hp 1800 kg of trying to murder the tyres at every stop start.
 
Think I've got 3 different tyres on my car currently. Need to send my other wheels off for powdercoating, will be replacing the F1A2's with PS4S.
 
I went to look at a used Yaris with a female friend yesterday, it had Hifly fronts, 1 General and 1 Conti on the rear. I advised her that she should consider factoring in at least £200 for a new set of tyres, luckily she listened to me. She didn't buy the car in the end and instead is going to keep her current car a little longer.
 
TallPaul1878 said:
I'm not really getting this Uniroyal love in on here. I've had Rainsports on a Golf GTE and, whilst they were okay, they didn't blow my socks off and they needed replacing a lot sooner than other brands.
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I don't think it's love. It's simply a case that when someone is considering a £30 ditch finder, trying to put them towards a £100+ UHP is likely to be a lost battle. Whilst something like the RS3 will never compete with a Pilot Sport 4, it's leagues ahead of the ultra budget range, and those considering £30 are more like to be swayed by a better £50 tyre than they are a £100 one. It's all about being sensible. You can't force everyone on the road onto the best of the best, but trying to get the minimum standards of grip upto something like the RS3 would make the roads a better place for all.
 
TallPaul1878 said:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/92866/michelin-crossclimate-tyre-review

Autoexpress rated the Michelin Crossclimate + as the 2017/18 best all weather tyre. They took a different approach to other manufactures and made a warm weather tyre that can handle wet and snowy conditions rather than a winter tyre to perform in dry conditions.
Make of that what you will.
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Thing is they are really expensive and average at everything. Not as good as a proper winter tyre in snow and not a performance tyre. For me it was cheaper to buy a whole second set of used OEM alloys and some winter tyres than it was to buy one set of cross climates.
 
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