Just want to be minted.

[sideways14a]

I used to do the big hours / work ass off routine but eventually decided that a lot of the time your wasting your own time.
Yes you need to put graft in to get money out mostly but be reasonable about it. Dont go killing yourself, look at your work/life balance.
A friend told me of a friend of theirs who was a manager of a carpet store, put in stupid amounts of extra time for what seemed like a slightly better than average wage. They still got the boot when the store closed and didnt seem to fussed about finding her another position in the company even though said manager had worked very hard over the years.
No bugger cares.

 

[ChocAndGray]

Doesn't everyone though?

My current job can be quite depressing, seeing other peoples disposable incomes where they've got thousands upon thousands left over after bills and expenses every month, or just earn a large wage apparently not really doing anything.

How do these people get so minted easily????

I'm on 23k at the moment, and it's not enough, but trying to increase wage seems like either management jobs or jobs that just seem extremely difficult and taxing that wouldn't really be worth the hassle.

I feel stuck and feel no way of progression, you'd think there would be tons of opportunities in Manchester?

Perhaps I'm just too picky??

How do you know whether people have thousands left over after paying their regular outgoings?

From my own personal experience how much someone earns doesn't necessarily mean they've got a large disposable income each month. Most people tend to live to their earnings, e.g someone on a higher salary than you will likely have a bigger mortgage, bigger car payments etc.

Also what would you class as minted? What sort of salary?

I find that nowadays there are a lot of people that try and portray that they're rich.

As others have said in this thread, most high paying jobs involve more responsibility, and longer hours, work coming home with them etc. It's unlikely to find a job paying 6 figures where you can switch off at 5pm.

If you've got no real qualifications, but are self motivated, and a people person then maybe consider a commission based sales job of some kind. As a car sales executive if you're exceeding targets and have a high F&I penetration you can earn 50k plus easily. Yes it might not be classed as "minted", but as someone with nothing but GCSE's there's not many other jobs I could do that would earn that much.

The issue is job stability, you're only as good as your last month, so even if you've been at a dealership for a while, if you suddenly stop hitting your targets you'll soon be on performance review and out. It's also not nice when you don't know what you're earning month to month. On top of that it's very long hours. I get a day off in the week, work every Saturday and alternate Sundays.

 

[platinum87]

A friend's parents had it all go wrong, the dad was in denial right up until the bailiff came to evict them and a few friends had to go and help throw a load of possessions into a big van.

Also see the conspiracy numpties who get caught up in the whole freeman of the land nonsense... as much as we ridicule them online these people do cause real issues for people - the tom Crawford case for example, he got in so deep to his legal "woo" that he genuinely believed he had a case and could avoid the massive shortfall in his mortgage years after the bank had apparently warned him about his endowment/interest only mortgage and that he should make arrangements to pay off the principle... but no - the bank had had "enough" money and the way the world was supposed to work as details by CT nutters on the internet was the way this was somehow going to go in his favour in the real world.. right up until he got evicted and lost his home (sad thing is I think he still believes in it all and just thinks everyone else is still wrong).

Could you explain this in more detail, i do not think i have read this madness yet.

 

[ultralaser]

I used to do the big hours / work ass off routine but eventually decided that a lot of the time your wasting your own time.

Totally untrue in decent companies. At senior management levels the biggest influence on your salary isn't how good you are, but how well your staff / unit / division performs. It makes no sense to replace hard working / performing staff with unknowns unless you suspect the current occupant is under performing. It's not about working massive hours but being supportive and offering when there is real need.

 

[BongoHunter]

There's a lot of success to be had in most IT jobs if you can work out where a lot of time is being burned and then automate it in someway.

Other things than gets attention is replacing niche expensive IT support type apps and plugins etc with your own scripts / open source alternatives

Good ways to get 'minted'

Even if your current employer does not reward you for it, looks awesome on a CV to say something like 'saved £250k over 3 years by doing xyz' rather than just endless lists of skills - you have to show the value can bring

 

[Jimbeam3678]

Leadership isn't an inherent skill, it needs working at and developed like anything else. I remember back when I started managing and the thought of having a "difficult" conversation would make me want to run and public speaking would have me shaking in terror and stammering.

Now I'm viewed as a damn good manager (about 150 people directly or indirectly working for me) I'm a mentor for new managers teaching them the ropes, graduates coming into the business and I'm regularly the mug stood in front of hundreds presenting and a weird part of me enjoys it

Most important factor is wanting it, doing nothing will get you nowhere but you will be surprised how swiftly you can progress if you have some talent, show you want it and are willing to go the extra mile.



Yes but put that aside, pointless worrying about those who get it for free and instead work on improving your own situatuon.

Of all the posts this caught my eye. I've never really managed people per say but have done some public speaking it terrifies me. Fair play to you sir.

I fully believe in working hard at work, I see it as investing myself learning things for me which coincidentally helps the company as well. I believe if you have the right attitude and work hard you are 80% there in being a valuable asset to the company.

 

[mrbazmondo]

Working hard and massive hours works better when you choose to do it when management are aware there is a problem and you then get noticed for once for being there and sorting it.
If you work hard at the wrong time (when there isn't a pressing business issue), and you're good at your job and keep on top of things so you solve all the issues before management get to know about it, then you won't get noticed. They need to be aware that you can solve real problems. I swear some people I know engineer these to make them selves look good when they solve problems they caused.

 

[Felon]

Doesn't everyone though?

My current job can be quite depressing, seeing other peoples disposable incomes where they've got thousands upon thousands left over after bills and expenses every month, or just earn a large wage apparently not really doing anything.

How do these people get so minted easily????

I'm on 23k at the moment, and it's not enough, but trying to increase wage seems like either management jobs or jobs that just seem extremely difficult and taxing that wouldn't really be worth the hassle.

I feel stuck and feel no way of progression, you'd think there would be tons of opportunities in Manchester?

Perhaps I'm just too picky??

Quite often I get the impression (maybe wrongly) that when someone gets a glimpse of a person driving around in a Porsche, or has tons of disposable income, big house, etc - they think that it all somehow happened overnight and it somehow isn't fair..

I think in some rare circumstances, that sort of thing can happen overnight - but for the vast majority of minted people, it's a long hard slog, in some cases a labour of love if it's something they enjoy doing.

I'd class myself as "reasonably minted" but not rich by any stretch, (top 5% or 10% depending where you look) earning 6 figures, working in the games industry (Esports) I'm at the end of about 18 years of almost constant progression, starting off working for free at college as a volunteer in 2000, all the way to where I am now, doing training, giving talks at seminars, solving complex problems, teaching others to do the same.

It's come at one hell of a price though, in the last 12 months I've spent 4 of them in Los Angeles, 2 of them in Dublin - been away from my partner for most of that time, many days I work till 11pm - as so many of my colleagues are in LA. (right now I'm in Dublin for the week in a hotel room)

Sometimes I go back to Lincoln and I hear of people I was at school with, who have a mediocre house, 3 kids - and all the normal stuff, whereas I'm globetrotting all over the place, busy working on these enormous systems, pretty close to the cutting edge of internet tech, but everything else in my life is a kind of weird mess - I have no real idea what the future hold, I'm gay - so no family, no real responsibilities, just infinite amounts of work - but all things considered - I love it... Don't ask me why - I just do, but it's not for everyone.

 

[Delvis]

Working hard and massive hours works better when you choose to do it when management are aware there is a problem and you then get noticed for once for being there and sorting it.
If you work hard at the wrong time (when there isn't a pressing business issue), and you're good at your job and keep on top of things so you solve all the issues before management get to know about it, then you won't get noticed. They need to be aware that you can solve real problems. I swear some people I know engineer these to make them selves look good when they solve problems they caused.

Pretty much me at work tbh, no management onsite so they never see the day to day issues etc etc :/

 

[Tom|Nbk]

I am in management have been for four years now. Earn 45-50k PA.

Bought myself lots of expensive toys, abroad three times a year, focusing on paying off mortgage etc etc, but as Housey said these things just become the norm and I wouldn’t say I need them now having had them, I don’t think I’d need them to continue to be happy they’re just nice to have

I put a hell of a lot into my career and even lost a relationship due to my early management days where I was field based but I was rewarded with a promotion to a permanent base by then it was too late. A three month stint in London away five days a week did it. Since met a lovely woman, who understands - future wife.

As has been said over and over life rewards only the hardworking and people who will sacrifice what they need to to get to the top of where they want to be.

And then there’s the few lucky ones....not us

 

[No1newts]

Of all the posts this caught my eye. I've never really managed people per say but have done some public speaking it terrifies me. Fair play to you sir.

I fully believe in working hard at work, I see it as investing myself learning things for me which coincidentally helps the company as well. I believe if you have the right attitude and work hard you are 80% there in being a valuable asset to the company.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dance up to a speech/presentation and still get a little flutter of nerves but it's a good feeling when it goes well. I did one for part of the business back in march and got a standing ovation at the end and felt high as a kite afterward!

 

[Maccy]

Quite often I get the impression (maybe wrongly) that when someone gets a glimpse of a person driving around in a Porsche, or has tons of disposable income, big house, etc - they think that it all somehow happened overnight and it somehow isn't fair..

I think in some rare circumstances, that sort of thing can happen overnight - but for the vast majority of minted people, it's a long hard slog, in some cases a labour of love if it's something they enjoy doing.

I'd class myself as "reasonably minted" but not rich by any stretch, (top 5% or 10% depending where you look) earning 6 figures, working in the games industry (Esports) I'm at the end of about 18 years of almost constant progression, starting off working for free at college as a volunteer in 2000, all the way to where I am now, doing training, giving talks at seminars, solving complex problems, teaching others to do the same.

It's come at one hell of a price though, in the last 12 months I've spent 4 of them in Los Angeles, 2 of them in Dublin - been away from my partner for most of that time, many days I work till 11pm - as so many of my colleagues are in LA. (right now I'm in Dublin for the week in a hotel room)

Sometimes I go back to Lincoln and I hear of people I was at school with, who have a mediocre house, 3 kids - and all the normal stuff, whereas I'm globetrotting all over the place, busy working on these enormous systems, pretty close to the cutting edge of internet tech, but everything else in my life is a kind of weird mess - I have no real idea what the future hold, I'm gay - so no family, no real responsibilities, just infinite amounts of work - but all things considered - I love it... Don't ask me why - I just do, but it's not for everyone.

Good on you for sharing this mate, shows hard graft over a long period of time and if you're enjoying it then that's what matters most IMO

 

[randomshenans]

It's come at one hell of a price though, in the last 12 months I've spent 4 of them in Los Angeles, 2 of them in Dublin - been away from my partner for most of that time, many days I work till 11pm - as so many of my colleagues are in LA. (right now I'm in Dublin for the week in a hotel room)

Sometimes I go back to Lincoln and I hear of people I was at school with, who have a mediocre house, 3 kids - and all the normal stuff, whereas I'm globetrotting all over the place, busy working on these enormous systems, pretty close to the cutting edge of internet tech, but everything else in my life is a kind of weird mess - I have no real idea what the future hold, I'm gay - so no family, no real responsibilities, just infinite amounts of work - but all things considered - I love it... Don't ask me why - I just do, but it's not for everyone.

I can relate. I don't think people realise the sacrifice it often takes but see the shiney and want in. I feel similar when I see friends from school, too, our worlds are just far apart and I don't think that they get it at all.

 

[Housey]

Priority should be health, family and then work. Now the fact is you will often have to put work at the top to succeed but it should never be to the detriment of the first and rarely to the detriment of the second. If it is the balance is wrong and unsustainable without long term damage to one or both and that is foolish.

If you are unable or unwilling to take risks, look past 40 hours a week mindset or appreciate the value you bring is the only thing that matters when escalating your career and earnings then you will be highly unlikely to be minted. We see all over this forum on career/money related threads the language of the un-minted..

“I don’t get paid to work more than 40 hours”

“All my managers are useless”

“I never get the breaks it’s only those who kiss the backside of said management”

I could go on but there comes a time when you need to realise the reason for your own lack of success if that is important to you, is you if those things you hear yourself saying. We can’t all be minted, but the determining factor is virtually always the individual not circumstance. It isn’t for everyone and I’m the last person to criticise those who just want 9-5 but most of those people seem happy and that is the right priority. If you want big money to be happy then be prepared for graft and failure along the way. If it came easy we’d all be ‘minted’.

 

[Rifte]

“I don’t get paid to work more than 40 hours”

This is a very good point, in my experience too many people in the UK have this mentality.

My father always brought me up to work until the job was done, not until I was 'done'

When I was employed, i viewed my contracted hours as a base line. The reality was so much different.

I never viewed it as me giving my time to my employer, I always looked it as a way to getting another step up the ladder because I knew that some of my other colleagues wouldn't do the hours I did.

From a career perspective it worked. It just depends if you want it bad enough.

 

[malachi]

Lol or those born to it, if you seriously believe most of the super rich are super rich because they work hard and take risks you need to take your head out of the sand our society is inherently unfair and we maintain a system of privilege for the rich that means most of the population are denied the chance to succeed!

And that's the mindset which separates the rich from the poor. Some people are born into it, some are lottery winners, that's life for a very small percentage of people who are rich but if you research the most richest people in the world, none of them were "born into it" Most of them are from the world of technology or retail, someone had to get off their arse, graft and work hard somewhere along the line to get to where they are now. None of them are Arabian Oil Tycoon's just born into it.

As already said, its down the individual not society and if you are walking around thinking its down to society then you will never be minted, rich or whatever.

 

[Vita]

My father always brought me up to work until the job was done, not until I was 'done'.

I never viewed it as me giving my time to my employer, I always looked it as a way to getting another step up the ladder because I knew that some of my other colleagues wouldn't do the hours I did.

The issue is whilst that's a brilliant mentality and one I follow, some employers then expect it all the time from you and take advantage of it. It's very much like that in retail work, and though you expect it to look brilliant as a way of upping your career level in a company it sometimes isn't very much the case.

Luck does play a major part imo.

 

[Steedie]

Lol or those born to it, if you seriously believe most of the super rich are super rich because they work hard and take risks you need to take your head out of the sand our society is inherently unfair and we maintain a system of privilege for the rich that means most of the population are denied the chance to succeed!

Wow...I think you need to take a look at the Forbes rich list...a lot of them, especially the richest are exactly what you've just described. Hard workers who took risks

 

[a1ex2001]

The issue is whilst that's a brilliant mentality and one I follow, some employers then expect it all the time from you and take advantage of it. It's very much like that in retail work, and though you expect it to look brilliant as a way of upping your career level in a company it sometimes isn't very much the case.

Luck does play a major part imo.

Exactly the trouble with this mentality as it breeds the start early stay late attitude which is allowing employers to take the mickey, I've worked in places where nobody would leave before there boss so you'd have people staying hours late for no reason other than appearances because they didn't want to be seen to be doing less than everyone else. I'm very much of the opinion I'm paid to work 7.5hrs a day so thats what I work (except in exceptional circumstances) and if I can't get the work done in that time then the company either needs to pay my overtime or employee someone extra (or I'm crap at my job!)

 

[Roar87]

I personally realise the sacrifice (some) managers make, and I'd rather earn what I do now (possibly a little more), but largely not have to worry about work when I'm not at work. I'm not expected to take calls or check emails on an evening or weekend, when I leave work I'm done. I don't have any money problems and I'm happy with my life style. I understand that owning a bigger house and an expensive car means very real sacrifices to my life style and I'm not sure it's worth it frankly. This isn't some coping mechanism either, I have savings set aside with nothing I particularly want or need. I'm happy with being able to go food shopping and being able to put whatever I want in my trolley - this hasn't always been the case.