If only that was solved really easily...die when running from the police and it's your fault.
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If only that was solved really easily...die when running from the police and it's your fault.
Which are all the result of decisions made at a very senior level. Meanwhile the ones who take the brunt of everyone's criticism are the ones actually doing the job, and they usually disagree with those decisions too. I doubt you'll find many cops on Twitter agreeing with the Met's handing of this particular situation for example.
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They are giving that impression, the problem is people believe what they want to and what their news bubble tells them. If you read the Daily Mail then of course you'll think you're living in a police state. That doesn't reflect reality though.
The police are there to uphold the rights of everyone. Believe it or not, but human rights are afford to all humans, including ones who commit criminal offences. Don't like it? That's not the Police's fault, the law applies to them too.
What human right is being infringed by pursuing a fleeing criminal?
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As the Police is so vehemently criticized about: Article 1: The right to life. Which is why pursuits are carefully risk assessed. No just for the offender, but for other road users.
In years gone by the priority would have been to catch the mugger on the scooter and nick the ******.
Now it's "what if he falls off and hurts himself?"
And the fact that you are defending this attitude is precisely why a lot of us have no confidence in the police. You also live in your own little bubble, seemingly immune to criticism and the general will of the public.
The public don't care if the little scrote falls off and breaks his neck. It would be well deserved. You just have to look at the situation in London now, where crims know they can perform hit and run attacks on scooters and that the police can't touch them.
Is that what the public want? "Sorry ma'am we can't protect you from criminals on scooters. If we try and they hurt themselves, we'll have infringed their human rights!"
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It's not just about the offender though. Pursuits are dangerous for the officers and for other road users and therefore the danger needs to be proportionate to the policing purpose. If someone unconnected dies, then I'm sure the public would care a lot.
But the police aren't endangering their lives...the criminals are. The criminals have made the initial decision to flee.
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Depending on the situation they are, and as mentioned it also puts other members of the public at risk, in this example the scooter could easily knock down a pedestrian or the pursuit cause a crash with a third party, hence as burnsy said weighing up the risk to all parties versus the benefits of catching the scrote.
Exactly. It's dependant upon the situation. So a blanket ban on pursuit is not the answer.
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Sorry if I missed it in the thread but as far as I know there isn't a blanket ban. Only done a quick search and there may be individual forces that have this policy but the most concrete think I've found say's it's down to the officers discretion https://police.community/topic/1341...suing-moped-riders-without-helmets-is-a-myth/
I apologise if I'm mistaken
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It's essentially down to the control room Inspector to authorise or stand down the pursuit.
There's some interesting points in that article. The idea that there's a "government ban" on pursuing crims on scooters is true enough, but then you look at the figures in there: 30,000 scooters stolen over two years in London (wow, really? that's incredible), and many of these ended up "used for crime".
Also this last bit:
So that article isn't saying that "it's a myth" that the police are reluctant to pursue crims on scooters - it just says that it's not a government mandate, it's up to officers to decide.
There are many articles (indexed by Google) talking about the rise muggings (etc) in London, with scooters now being a go-to getaway vehicle, as crims are confident they won't be chased whilst riding them. That's not a myth.
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it's funny how they take hours to turn up to a real crime yet some flowers being taken down they are there within seconds.
i've seen this happen personally too. they don't like doing any of the paperwork so they would rather turn up to dead end jobs where they don't need to do anything
lol
you think its worth risking other peoples lives just to catch a criminal ?
if the pursuit poses a serious risk to the public then i would expect the police to use their better judgement and pull back.
Read. Some forces have a blanket ban whether they pose a risk or not.
No. You're stupidly replying to something out of context. I'm talking about the criminals lives, which if you had the IQ to read you'd see. But then again we already know you prefer the rights of criminals and their families over those of victims.