Nvidia Ampere might launch as GeForce GTX 2070 and 2080 on April 12th

[TeraVirus]

Monitors will always drive the need for faster cards.

If that's the case, then Nvidia needs to back that up with the supposed new 4k 144hz releasing end of this month. 1080Ti cannot drive that framerate.

Current cards may be selling, but there are people like me who won't upgrade to 2 year old tech out of principle, especially if they are at the same price as launch.

They simply won't get my money, and that's fine.

 

[WantoN]

Monitors will always drive the need for faster cards. Plug in Dell's 8k screen and you can genuinely start moaning that your 1080ti is barely playable. That doesn't mean there is a viable market for faster cards.

Unless things change I think we can look forward to being drip fed very small performance upgrades for the foreseeable future as for most gamers, current cards are providing plenty of power.

Ultrawide isn’t 8k. 4K isnt 8k, and is becoming the norm with current gen consoles. I can buy monitor for £300 that current hardware can’t fully leverage.

1080tis aren’t pushing current monitors to their full potential, and these are £800+ top tier cards.

Current hardware might be powerful enough for you, and like I said that’s fair enough. But they certainly aren’t powerful enough for me, or other users on this forum.

Monitors will always drive the need for faster cards.

As will user demand, competition, new technologies, new games and the need to remain fresh in the marketplace and the minds of consumers.

 

[WantoN]

If that's the case, then Nvidia needs to back that up with the supposed new 4k 144hz releasing end of this month. 1080Ti cannot drive that framerate.

Current cards may be selling, but there are people like me who won't upgrade to 2 year old tech out of principle, especially if they are at the same price as launch.

They simply won't get my money, and that's fine.

And it’s exactly this mindset that demonstrates why Nvidia needs to release new product.

 

[LeMson]

Yeah i agree, 10 series is getting long in the tooth now, give us some new cards plx nvidia!

 

[JediFragger]

And it’s exactly this mindset that demonstrates why Nvidia needs to release new product.

That and we 'enthusiasts' are impatient ****s

 

[BubbySoup]

And it’s exactly this mindset that demonstrates why Nvidia needs to release new product.

It really isn't though. You seem to be confusing what a very, very tiny proportion of PC gamers want to what makes financial sense for a company producing GPU's.

 

[WantoN]

That and we 'enthusiasts' are impatient ****s

Hell yes

 

[WantoN]

It really isn't though. You seem to be confusing what a very, very tiny proportion of PC gamers want to what makes financial sense for a company producing GPU's.

I’m not mate. My other points cover why financially it makes sense

 

[BubbySoup]

If as a company you can barely keep up with demand for your current product, and you have a new product waiting in the wings (as nVidia probably do), why would you release it now? You would release it when demand for your current product starts to wane.

 

[WantoN]

If as a company you can barely keep up with demand for your current product, and you have a new product waiting in the wings (as nVidia probably do), why would you release it now? You would release it when demand for your current product starts to wane.

So firstly, market indicates it is waning. More stock than ever before, dropping prices and a lot of second hand cards for sale.

It’s important to release your new line before sales have completely waned, one to ensure component stock clears, and two to ensure continued interest in future products.

Nvidia will do what intel did, stretch out releases a little and offer less performance gains per generation, because they lack proper competition. But not releasing product would be foolish, because interest in a brand with nothing new to offer will diminish.

They’ll be looking to hoover up customers, like me, coming from previous generations who didn’t see a need to upgrade.

Upcoming titles will start to make current gen struggle and with AMD looking to close the gap, fresh product retains the performance advantage.

This is the very heart of consumerism, generating new product that consumers want to buy. Literally every big consumer electronics manufacturer follows this principal. TVs, phones, processors... granular performance increases and new features to renew product interest.

 

[BubbySoup]

So firstly, market indicates it is waning. More stock than ever before, dropping prices and a lot of second hand cards for sale.

"We’ve got to come closer to the demand of the market. And right now, we’re not anywhere near close to that and so we’re just going to have to keep running.” - That's a direct quote from Jensen Huang a few weeks ago. I don't see how that shows the market is waning.

 

[WantoN]

"We’ve got to come closer to the demand of the market. And right now, we’re not anywhere near close to that and so we’re just going to have to keep running.” - That's a direct quote from Jensen Huang a few weeks ago. I don't see how that shows the market is waning.

Damn, you’re right. I’d definitely expect the face of a company known for absolute honesty to just come out and say “don’t buy what we’ve got left of this generation, we’re releasing something new soon!”

 

[BubbySoup]

At this point then, lets just agree to disagree

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a new card. I have a 1080ti and an Acer Z35P and I agree with you, it struggles on some games - but I also understand that I'm in the minority and just because I'd like a new card for my needs, I get why a new card isn't really needed because most PC gamers don't even own a 1080ti.

 

[r7slayer]

Guys you're going to be waiting sometime yet. It appears nvidia are only just looking at clearing pascal cards when you see gibbo drop some prices then you know nvidia will be looking at revealing the new cards soon. Then you will still be waiting a couple months till that release then probably. So well into 2h like i always said all the way back in 2017. Enjoy your cards for a while longer yet I'll probably stick onto my 1080ti as i don't do much gaming nowa days but still keep upto date with new tech!

 

[Drollic]

Delay as long as possible so my 1080 remains current gen

 

[TeraVirus]

Guys you're going to be waiting sometime yet. It appears nvidia are only just looking at clearing pascal cards when you see gibbo drop some prices then you know nvidia will be looking at revealing the new cards soon. Then you will still be waiting a couple months till that release then probably. So well into 2h like i always said all the way back in 2017. Enjoy your cards for a while longer yet I'll probably stick onto my 1080ti as i don't do much gaming nowa days but still keep upto date with new tech!

I can wait this out, it just means I can jump on more reasonably priced components in the meantime and spread the upgrade cost over a slighty longer period.

 

[WantoN]

I reckon July earliest, no later than September.

 

[nomadd]

"We’ve got to come closer to the demand of the market. And right now, we’re not anywhere near close to that and so we’re just going to have to keep running.” - That's a direct quote from Jensen Huang a few weeks ago. I don't see how that shows the market is waning.

That statement was made in the wake - that's wake, not height - of the mining boom. Now mining is no longer viable, at least not small-scale on GPUs

I've been tracking prices of second-hand MSI GamingX 1080's on thebay and the 3 that have just sold are substantially down on the loony prices they were fetching just a few weeks ago. One guy that refused to accept the final bid from a few days back, just relisted, and has now sold for even less. Prices are falling, demand is waning, and as we get closer to June/July and something new from Nvidia, people will just hold off or bid even less.

NV aren't stupid, they know they can't flog a dead-horse forever. They have something new in the wings, and they know it will sell like hot-cakes. Win-win for them.

 

[TeraVirus]

That statement was made in the wake - that's wake, not height - of the mining boom. Now mining is no longer viable, at least not small-scale on GPUs

I've been tracking prices of second-hand MSI GamingX 1080's on thebay and the 3 that have just sold are substantially down on the loony prices they were fetching just a few weeks ago. One guy that refused to accept the final bid from a few days back, just relisted, and has now sold for even less. Prices are falling, demand is waning, and as we get closer to June/July and something new from Nvidia, people will just hold off or bid even less.

NV aren't stupid, they know they can't flog a dead-horse forever. They have something new in the wings, and they know it will sell like hot-cakes. Win-win for them.

My thoughts exactly.

I keep getting emails from retailers on GPU price reductions now, compared to end of December/early January when the mining craze really took off.

 

[WantoN]

That statement was made in the wake - that's wake, not height - of the mining boom. Now mining is no longer viable, at least not small-scale on GPUs

I've been tracking prices of second-hand MSI GamingX 1080's on thebay and the 3 that have just sold are substantially down on the loony prices they were fetching just a few weeks ago. One guy that refused to accept the final bid from a few days back, just relisted, and has now sold for even less. Prices are falling, demand is waning, and as we get closer to June/July and something new from Nvidia, people will just hold off or bid even less.

NV aren't stupid, they know they can't flog a dead-horse forever. They have something new in the wings, and they know it will sell like hot-cakes. Win-win for them.

Eloquent and accurate man, thanks.

At this point then, lets just agree to disagree

Fair enough mate.