Laser jammer Range Rover driver who gave police the finger is handed an eight-month prison sentence

[snowdog]

Do correct me if I’m wrong, but as far as I’m aware, the police provide evidence to the court, who then decide to prosecute based on such evidence.

Surely a man who was stupid enough to drive a car registered to him and make rude gestures at a police vehicle he knew was recording him is far easier to trace than someone in an unregistered vehicle with no fixed address?

I think you might have jumped to conclusions when reading my post - I wasn’t even criticising the police....

Do correct me if I’m wrong, but as far as I’m aware, the police provide evidence to the court, who then decide to prosecute based on such evidence.

Surely a man who was stupid enough to drive a car registered to him and make rude gestures at a police vehicle he knew was recording him is far easier to trace than someone in an unregistered vehicle with no fixed address?

I think you might have jumped to conclusions when reading my post - I wasn’t even criticising the police....

This is my point, they spend time on ''easy wins'' instead of spending more time on more important issues. Traffic safety I can safely say, is a non issue these days, especially in the UK. Decades ago many more people died on the roads and nobody bat an eye...

e guy acted like he was entitled to ignore the rules everyone else has to follow and his contempt for those rules

Everyone is entitled to ignore immoral laws imho, it's an extreme example, but in WW2, would you give up the jews because the Germans made the laws? in early 20th century, most white males felt superior and would see women or black people as less because those were the rules and standards, didn't make them right. Many other examples, I know it's a bit out of context, but I firmly believe limiting people freedom of movement is wrong. Where do you draw the line between more safety and freedom?

And voicing contempt over the rules is something that should always be allowed in a country with freedom of speech.

General speed limits on ''all'' motorways are imho immoral and ridiculous, nanny state should have no say in how fast you can travel on the safest roads out there when the conditions are good (e.g. middle of the night, straight flat motorway with no traffic, or hell, even calm traffic during the day, I was in Berlin last weekend again and could do 85 mph on average (so in excess of 130 mph when possible) over a few hours driving, much faster is it wasn't for those pesky road works or congestion occasionally, and it felt right, and nice to make decent progress).

This is quite funny though I admit:

But ultimately ludicrous to be sent over to jail for. Hell, I know about robberies with stabbing the shop owner where people got away with much less. Even worse to set an example of. Jail should be used for people that need to be removed from society because they're a proven threat, not someone who does victimless ''crimes''.

 

[floatindolphin]

I'd have jailed him for buying a baby blue Range Rover!

EDIT: seeing the above gif, it would appear to be white....

 

[Dis86]

This is my point, they spend time on ''easy wins'' instead of spending more time on more important issues. Traffic safety I can safely say, is a non issue these days, especially in the UK. Decades ago many more people died on the roads and nobody bat an eye...

Everyone is entitled to ignore immoral laws imho, it's an extreme example, but in WW2, would you give up the jews because the Germans made the laws? in early 20th century, most white males felt superior and would see women or black people as less because those were the rules and standards, didn't make them right. Many other examples, I know it's a bit out of context, but I firmly believe limiting people freedom of movement is wrong. Where do you draw the line between more safety and freedom?

And voicing contempt over the rules is something that should always be allowed in a country with freedom of speech.

General speed limits on ''all'' motorways are imho immoral and ridiculous, nanny state should have no say in how fast you can travel on the safest roads out there when the conditions are good (e.g. middle of the night, straight flat motorway with no traffic, or hell, even calm traffic during the day, I was in Berlin last weekend again and could do 85 mph on average (so in excess of 130 mph when possible) over a few hours driving, much faster is it wasn't for those pesky road works or congestion occasionally, and it felt right, and nice to make decent progress).


But ultimately ludicrous to be sent over to jail for. Hell, I know about robberies with stabbing the shop owner where people got away with much less. Even worse to set an example of. Jail should be used for people that need to be removed from society because they're a proven threat, not someone who does victimless ''crimes''.

Highlighted some of the most retarded parts of that post.

Nearly 2000 people were killed on UK roads last year. 24,000 had serious injuries and traffic safety is a none issue?

Not sure you know what immoral means.

Me wielding an assault rifle in public doesn't hurt anyone, does that mean I'm OK to do it? What about walk around with my shlong out windmilling? Or calling a black person a (insert various racial slurs here). I mean...it doesn't actually hurt them, right?

Deserves to be in prison for intentionally attempting to pervade the course of justice.

You might not like all of the laws in the country but you should abide by them. If not then feel free to leave. I hear road safety in India is excellent for example.

 

[Joe T]

Dis86's post missed one more absolutely ridiculous comment "Decades ago many more people died on the roads and nobody bat an eye" - that's simply untrue!

 

[snowdog]

Highlighted some of the most retarded parts of that post.

Nearly 2000 people were killed on UK roads last year. 24,000 had serious injuries and traffic safety is a none issue?

How many people died in other accidents? The UK is one of the safest countries in the world per capita or when viewed by mileage. The risk is tiny, even less than half a percent for your whole life... That's for traffic in total, I'm on about motorways, speed traps on motorways are nothing but extra tax collectors.

Me wielding an assault rifle in public doesn't hurt anyone, does that mean I'm OK to do it? What about walk around with my shlong out windmilling?

Guns are a complex subject, ideally everyone should be freely be able to walk around wielding assault rifles, unfortunately many people are to unstable to not abuse it without thinking of the consequences, or worse, willingly shoot others...
Windmilling with your schlong, if it makes you happy, I don't like clothes, if it was acceptable to walk around nude everywhere I would, more a cultural thing imo... I wouldn't mind random people windmilling their Jonny tbh, I would simply ignore them like I do other things I don't like looking at.

Or calling a black person a (insert various racial slurs here). I mean...it doesn't actually hurt them, right?

Physically not, but you can hurt people mentally...

Deserves to be in prison for intentionally attempting to pervade the course of justice.

You might not like all of the laws in the country but you should abide by them. If not then feel free to leave. I hear road safety in India is excellent for example.

I'm not in the UK luckily, some things sound even worse than NL, but yeah I'll probably move to Belgium, Germany or Poland (I speak Dutch and Polish very well and German decently) when I get the chance (read as, finish studies and want to settle somewhere for a family) a bit later in life (job wise it's easy, shortage of IT personel everywhere here, I'm literally bombarded with job offers but like my current job to much tm), where indeed the car hate is not as bad yet as in NL or indeed the UK. I'm not just talking speed limits, but tax wise, some cars over in NL are twice as expensive to buy (let alone run/drive) than at our neighbors.

I personally like southern European driving mentality too (eg. Italy), later this year I'll be in Indonesia for nearly a month, so curious how I'll view traffic there.

 

[Dis86]

How many people died in other accidents? The UK is one of the safest countries in the world per capita or when viewed by mileage. The risk is tiny, even less than half a percent for your whole life... That's for traffic in total, I'm on about motorways, speed traps on motorways are nothing but extra tax collectors.


Guns are a complex subject, ideally everyone should be freely be able to walk around wielding assault rifles, unfortunately many people are to unstable to not abuse it without thinking of the consequences, or worse, willingly shoot others...
Windmilling with your schlong, if it makes you happy, I don't like clothes, if it was acceptable to walk around nude everywhere I would, more a cultural thing imo... I wouldn't mind random people windmilling their Jonny tbh, I would simply ignore them like I do other things I don't like looking at.


Physically not, but you can hurt people mentally...


I'm not in the UK luckily, some things sound even worse than NL, but yeah I'll probably move to Belgium, Germany or Poland (I speak Dutch and Polish very well and German decently) when I get the chance (read as, finish studies and want to settle somewhere for a family) a bit later in life (job wise it's easy, shortage of IT personel everywhere here, I'm literally bombarded with job offers but like my current job to much tm), where indeed the car hate is not as bad yet as in NL or indeed the UK. I'm not just talking speed limits, but tax wise, some cars over in NL are twice as expensive to buy (let alone run/drive) than at our neighbors.

Has it crossed your mind that perhaps the roads are safe because of the limits in place?
And other accidents have no impact on road accidents. Just because 7 people a year die from buggering themselves with lightbulbs doesn't mean we shouldn't stop kids drowning in swimming pools.
You have no logic whatsoever!

 

[dowie]

Whilst it’s clearly a ridiculous sentence, anybody with a brain knows that if you disrespect the police / authorities but aren’t from a “troubled background”, have a clearly identifiable car registered to you, a fixed address, etc etc, they’re going to throw the book at you as all you’ve done is make everything incredibly easy for them.

this tbh.. he was a total prat sticking his finger up at the cameras, but a custodial sentence seems a bit extreme if he's got no previous convictions and as illustrated by the OP people can do far worse without being locked uo... community service over a couple of hundred hours might teach him some humility - if he is some small business owner then a few months inside will potentially not only cost the tax payer in terms of the expense of keeping someone locked up but could also put an otherwise viable business at risk.

Or the "traveler community". Then your apparently allowed to do whatever you like.

yeah seemingly a wanted burglar (who is now dead thanks to a local hero in Hither Green) was able to drive around in a van for a few years ripping off OAPs... was he hiding in plain sight with a fully taxed/insured vehicle or was he driving around in an untaxed/uninsured van and getting away with it

 

[HangTime]

Apples to oranges.

Speed is not inherently dangerous if managed correctly.

Arguably the same can be said for drink driving, but you have to draw the line somewhere in terms of imposing limits, whether that be speed limits or blood alcohol limits. Someone driving along an empty road with good visibility at a safe speed while slightly over the limit isn't necessarily any more dangerous than speeding, but it is still illegal because under other circumstances it could be more dangerous.

 

[Scania]

***** decides to fit a jammer, had he had the intelligence to not then give the Police the middle finger then in all likelihood he’d have got away with it and had one over on them.

Instead, he decided to effectively implicate himself by doing so and then was daft enough to admit what he’d done.
Weapons grade moron who got what he deserved.

Ultimately, if perverting the cause of justice isn’t stamped upon hard then these types win and that has implications for all of us, that’s why said ***** has been stamped upon hard and rightly so imo.

 

[Hotwired]

I see nothing wrong with a prison sentence for perverting the course of justice.

Perverting the course of justice undermines the law so it makes sense that perverting the course of justice gets a sentence with weight to it.

You can pervert the course of justice in many ways and he did not deny he was perverting the course of justice.

You merely need the ability to read to know its a sentence for perverting the course of justice by preventing a speed camera team from taking readings from his car and not for speeding or giving police the finger.

The driver was a grade A imbecile in that he bought and fitted a device to pervert the course of justice then made an effort to get the personal attention of the speed camera team who might otherwise have ignored the failed reading from his vehicle.

 

[kindai]

Arguably the same can be said for drink driving, but you have to draw the line somewhere in terms of imposing limits, whether that be speed limits or blood alcohol limits. Someone driving along an empty road with good visibility at a safe speed while slightly over the limit isn't necessarily any more dangerous than speeding, but it is still illegal because under other circumstances it could be more dangerous.

I disagree, being intoxicated limits your abilities, driving quickly can be assessed and altered on conditions. I could very safely travel at 200mph down the M5 if wanted because if the conditions changed, I could decide to slow down appropriately.

If driving while intoxicated, you can't decide to just instantly be less intoxicated.

 

[Nasher]

Arguably the same can be said for drink driving, but you have to draw the line somewhere in terms of imposing limits, whether that be speed limits or blood alcohol limits. Someone driving along an empty road with good visibility at a safe speed while slightly over the limit isn't necessarily any more dangerous than speeding, but it is still illegal because under other circumstances it could be more dangerous.

Drinking impairs your motor skills though (in a way you don't really notice yourself) so it's very different. Same with smoking weed etc.

 

[Dis86]

I disagree, being intoxicated limits your abilities, driving quickly can be assessed and altered on conditions. I could very safely travel at 200mph down the M5 if wanted because if the conditions changed, I could decide to slow down appropriately.

If driving while intoxicated, you can't decide to just instantly be less intoxicated.

Others might (to be read as certainly) do not and the law applies equally to all. Hence limits that are capable of being adhered to by most.

 

[Tom|Nbk]

Clearly an old arrogant knob and he got jailed for it. Good

 

[james_2k]

Clearly an old arrogant knob and he got jailed for it. Good

 

[HangTime]

Drinking impairs your motor skills though (in a way you don't really notice yourself) so it's very different. Same with smoking weed etc.

I'm not disputing that but if we are saying "speeding is not dangerous if managed correctly" then I'm saying "having impaired motor skills isn't dangerous if managed correctly" i.e. in a scenario where having very slightly impaired skills is unlikely to cause a significant accident.
Basically I'm saying someone driving along a minor road they know, good visibility, 20mph after 4 units or whatever may not be any more dangerous than someone caning it at 200mph.

For the avoidance of doubt I am not condoning drink-driving, I'm just looking to illustrate that trying to pass off speeding as acceptable because it isn't always dangerous isn't so different from trying to pass off other crimes based on similar reasoning.

edit: It is worth noting that statistically, exceeding speed limit / driving too fast for conditions kills far, far more people on our roads than alcohol impairment. Now obviously that is probably in part because speeding is more common but this idea that speeding is considered acceptable doesn't really wash when you look at how many funerals it generates every year.

 

[TheVoice]

This is my point, they spend time on ''easy wins'' instead of spending more time on more important issues. Traffic safety I can safely say, is a non issue these days, especially in the UK. Decades ago many more people died on the roads and nobody bat an eye...

Funnily enough they actually do both but as you've said yourself, you don't even live here so it's no surprise you're misinformed.

 

[wolfie138]

I'd have jailed him for buying a baby blue Range Rover!

EDIT: seeing the above gif, it would appear to be white....

what colour is the dress?

 

[melmac]

I know where you can acquire at least one. Might have some slight water damage though.

made me laugh.

 

[Mr_Sukebe]

Looks like a poor attempt for a Darwinian style award.
Act like a **** and gets caught and prosecuted.
Whilst amusing, not even sure why this is a thread.

After all, he was well enough off to purchase that penis extension of a car, so he’ll have paid enough taxes to cover his jail time.