Alfie Evans...
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I hear what you're saying however the parents would have signed Consent Forms in the past therefore thinking they have responsibility for their child. It is baffling that even though they have parental 'power' on decisions for their child, when it comes to the end they are not allowed to make a decision! If Alfie is so brain dead then surely he won't know what's going on if he is taken to see the Pope.
I'm involved in cases where we intervene to save lives and go through the Courts but obviously these are patients who don't have capacity and can't make their own decisions properly. Sometimes it doesn't sit right with me and personally I think Alfie's parents should sign a Consent and do what they want (but only if Alfie won't know he's suffering).
Read the medical notes, he has a neuro-degenerative mitochondrial disease that is liquifying his brain matter. He can ONLY be kept alive via life support... The boy should be allowed to pass away peacefully.. Artificially keeping him alive is ridiculous.
LOL what a surprise:
"Oh it's socialised medicine"
He's just attacking a straw man, saying it is the British government that has said he's not worth saving etc.. when the government has nothing to do with it.
Watching that YouTube just makes me angry.
This is the problem when these things become “mediaized” all sense of reality, evidence and reason get thrown out of the window by people who know nothing.
It just turns an unfortunate and sad situation into an embarrassing circus of media commentators, courts, lunatics, cretin politicians, useless foreign journalists and charlatans.
The poor child should just be allowed to die without this ghastly embarrassing charade
This is the problem when these things become “mediaized” all sense of reality, evidence and reason get thrown out of the window by people who know nothing.
It just turns an unfortunate and sad situation into an embarrassing circus of media commentators, courts, lunatics, cretin politicians, useless foreign journalists and charlatans.
The poor child should just be allowed to die without this ghastly embarrassing charade
"Judge says father Tom Evans sought to bring private prosecution yesterday against 3 doctors with the charge of conspiracy to murder"
Goes on to state they even served papers.
I know were clutching at straws here but this is taking the **** now. Its a shame we can't ban people from NHS services for attempting to ruin those who are trying there best.
Goes on to state they even served papers.
I know were clutching at straws here but this is taking the **** now. Its a shame we can't ban people from NHS services for attempting to ruin those who are trying there best.
I don't really understand your point here.
Either he's suffering, in which case allow him to die while giving him drugs or whatever to dull or eradicate the pain, or he's not capable of suffering in which case what's the point in keeping him "alive" artificially?
I can't help but see this as a selfish standpoint from the parents, either because they don't want, understandably, to have the pain of him actually dying or because they in some perverse way enjoy the attention.
As a parent I don't know how I'd feel if it actually happened to me, but surely they're just dragging out a horrible situation that most be causing them emotional pain and ultimately they'll be dealing with his death sooner rather than later anyway.
well the latest appeal has been rejected by the court of appeal... I guess they'll go to the Supreme Court perhaps tomorrow and get the same result again...
obviously the Alfie's Army Echo chamber can't believe it and thinks the Judges are all heartless, are ashamed to be British (again, just like they were when a dose of reality hit them in all the previous attempts in court)
oh and the loonies carry on with their helpful suggestions:
obviously the Alfie's Army Echo chamber can't believe it and thinks the Judges are all heartless, are ashamed to be British (again, just like they were when a dose of reality hit them in all the previous attempts in court)
oh and the loonies carry on with their helpful suggestions:
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just posturing. given this case has gone to some of the highest courts in the world it's simply stupidity for him to think anything is going to come of it.
keeps this up though and we will probably see both parents banned from the hospital.
The worrying thing is though is the doctors cannot be charged for anything here. But if there names do make it out its worrying to think what some of these supporting nut jobs may indeed do to the doctors who are the innocent parties only acting upon there morals and in his best interest.
I read how the police are monitoring Facebook posts relating to Alfie and the hospital, I made the critical mistake of logging onto the police Facebook page to read the official statement.
Reading the replies made me want to quit Facebook, the internet, my job, bury myself in a field and never see the sky again.
Honest to ******* god I had no idea society has become so full of hopeless people.
Reading the replies made me want to quit Facebook, the internet, my job, bury myself in a field and never see the sky again.
Honest to ******* god I had no idea society has become so full of hopeless people.
I believe a Christian charity is funding the parents legal fight.
- Alfie was born healthy in may 2016 to Thomas and Kate aged 18 & 19.
- At age 2 months he developed a new strabismus (squint) and showed subtle signs of delayed development (lack of head control, sleeping all the time and not reaching for things).
- At 6 months he was taken to a specialist children's doctor who formally documented his development as being that of a 6-8 week old baby.
- An MRI scan was performed that showed widespread abnormal changes in his brain, specifically the cortex which were not associated with any specific neurological syndrome but suggested mitochondrial disease
- Alfie then developed a fever and shortly after seizures that perissted. He rapidly deteriorated, having short episodes of apnea (no breathing), so he was moved to the intensive care unit at Alder Hey. He has remained there since December 2016.
- 15 months ventilated with a machine via a tube directly into his lungs, a feeding tube in his stomach, and hydration into his blood-stream.
- Subsequent MRI scans have shown the progressive and severe destruction of the brain and brainstem, further suggesting mitochondrial disease.
- Later EEGs were taken of Alfie's brain, documented to be "essentially" flat, consistent with no upper brain activity whatsoever.
- The electrical tracings of his brain and images show zero activity. The bit that makes him him, is damaged beyond all repair. He may move twitch with reflexes or seizures but this is not consciousness.
- We don't have any way to reverse brain damage. From the day you are born you lose brain cells at a rate of ~9000/day. we have no way to reverse this. if we did we could cure stroke, dementia, brain injury, Parkinsons, MS and potentially aging itself.
- Bembino Gesu, the paediatric hospital in the Vatican that has offered to take Alfie has not offered any treatment.
- They offered to cut a small hole in Alfie's neck so the breathing tube can be placed directly into his lungs instead of his nose, and that's it.
- They offered no further tests or specialist diagnosis.
- Several courts and appeals have all agreed that the best they can do for Alfie is to remove his life support and allow him to die with dignity and comfort.
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How can I get to read the court reports?
And also, if this little boy is so strong, then surely it should be safe to turn off all the equipment that apparently isn't needed for him to keep alive?
And also, if this little boy is so strong, then surely it should be safe to turn off all the equipment that apparently isn't needed for him to keep alive?