Is it racist to say gun/knife crime in London is predominantly caused by a certain race?

Efour said:
Is it wrong to say this?
I've just been subjected to a conversation at work, as I'm a Londoner, about the cities current knife/gun crime spree.(debatable)

I explained it's often black gang culture and tit for tat nonsense in certain suburbs/boroughs.

Apparently I'm racist. Am I not just stating an observation of fact. They are 95%male too....

How on earth is it racist?


Lol that title.
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Do you even care?

People are practically programmed to start spouting 'ist' and 'isms' whenever blacks are singled out for whatever reason.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.
 
The assertion of a fact isn't racist.

However people can squirm comes when you ask the question why the statistics are so.

Why are more black people involved in knife crime and gang related activities?

Caracus2k said:
It would perhaps be more accurate to say that (street) violence is predominately linked to certain (sub) cultures and that those cultures correlate strongly with certain ethnicities.
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I agree with this 100% but I would ask another question. If knife crime is not associated with race but rather sub culture what makes this sub culture so attractive to black youths?

Whether we like it or not black youths are stereotyped as the perpetrators of knife crime.....because they usually are.

Not every young black male is involved in knife crime but nearly every knife crime is seemingly committed by a young black male.

This correlation cannot be the result of genetics, but there is something seriously going wrong within the or for the black community for these statistics to be heavily skewed the way they are.

The same discussion can be had in respect of the child sex grooming gangs and pakistani males.
 
Caracus2k said:
Its a strange old world.. .

On one hand a certain group of people often like to talk about how certain things affect certain groups more than others ... Like 'x' group is stopped and searched by police more then 'y' group.

But yet if a discussion is had about how a certain identifiable (if fuzzily defined at the edges) group is apparently disproportionately involved in something widely viewed as detrimental to society (e.g Street crime) people, often from the former group, come out of the wood work to suggest variously that's even the discussion itself is racist and /or deplorable.
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There is a difference though.

'x' group gets stopped and searched more because they are 'x' group.

Gun/knife crime doesn't happen because people are black. Plenty of white gangster wannabees in my hood, haha.
 
Well, the statistics say so. It's a culture thing more than a race thing, but people of a certain race seem to follow that culture more.

The police are far to soft on it though. This kind of thing wasn't rife in the old days because the law was heavy handed with reprobates.

TBH I think a lot of it would be solved by bringing back the stocks :P
 
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I think it's more a case that gun & knife crimes are frequently committed by those in a lower socio-economic group, which is predominantly (in these London communities) made up of black people. The colour is not the cause, the SEG is.
 
Rifte said:
Not every young black male is involved in knife crime but nearly every knife crime is seemingly committed by a young black male.
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I notice you said seemingly, which is quite important. Do you have any ethnic breakdown of the 34,700 knife offences that occured in England & Wales to show that 'nearly every one' was committed by a young black male? (As I can't find any breakdown) or is it what it 'appears' to be in this recent flare up in London being overly reported by the media?

ie: they aren't reporting to the same degree knife crime committed by white youths, hence giving the impression it's only done by black youths.

If we're going to argue facts and statistics, it would be good to have them don't you think
 
Calabi said:
What are you talking about, race or species when applied to humans is not a scientific term, scientists don't use it, it isn't useful or meaningful in any way.
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Demonstarably false/

Its semantics what words or phrases you choose to use. There are clear identifiable differences that 'science' can use to discern the members of different population groups from one another (from dna) .... For example in this case of a serial sex offender police were able to use Dna samples from a then unknown suspect to quite accurately determine his geographical heritage.

And of course 'science' is used to help establish the historical movements of groups of people around the globe in waves of migrations.

Calabi said:
The genetic differences are minuscule, no groups of people are separated by thousands of years of evolution, that's the point.
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Demonstarably false/

Aboriginal Australians were separated by at least 10 thousands years from the rest of the worlds population...

Around 50,000 years ago, the wave of migration reached Sahul, a prehistoric supercontinent composed of present-day Australia, Tasmania and New Guinea prior to their separation by rising sea levels 10,000 years ago. At that time, according to the study’s authors, Aboriginal Australians became genetically isolated, making it the world’s oldest civilization.
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The genetic isolation (up until European colonisation) between say native Americans and Caucasian whites would also at least be in the order of thousands of years.

Calabi said:
There are no neanderthal's, cro magnons, and other species left. We are all one species homo sapiens. There are differences but they cannot be classified as a different race or species.

There is no point in the future at which people will start talking about it(by sensible people at least).
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So what word or term is appropriate to talk about groups of people who can, scientifically, be discerned from other groups of people? As above it seems to be a semantic argument?
 
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Freakbro said:
I notice you said seemingly, which is quite important. Do you have any ethnic breakdown of the 34,700 knife offences that occured in England & Wales to show that 'nearly every one' was committed by a young black male? (As I can't find any breakdown) or is it what it 'appears' to be in this recent flare up in London being overly reported by the media?

ie: they aren't reporting to the same degree knife crime committed by white youths, hence giving the impression it's only done by black youths.

If we're going to argue facts and statistics, it would be good to have them don't you think
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*edit* My assumption was not based on statistics I had at hand, however a very quick google search found this quote from a BBC article http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089:

"For every 100,000 people in the capital, there were 114 knife offences in 2016, with separate figures, from the mayor's office, showing that young black and minority ethnic teenage boys and men were disproportionately affected, as both victims and perpetrators."
 
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Freakbro said:
I notice you said seemingly, which is quite important. Do you have any ethnic breakdown of the 34,700 knife offences that occured in England & Wales to show that 'nearly every one' was committed by a young black male? (As I can't find any breakdown) or is it what it 'appears' to be in this recent flare up in London being overly reported by the media?

ie: they aren't reporting to the same degree knife crime committed by white youths, hence giving the impression it's only done by black youths.

If we're going to argue facts and statistics, it would be good to have them don't you think
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The media aren't reporting knife crime being committed by black youths.
They're reporting knife crime being committed in london.

It just so happens that when found the perpetrators are predominantly black. That's not the media's fault.
 
The person who called you "racist" is the problem here, not what you said. Sounds like they're a SJW. Don't tolerate it.
 
Dis86 said:
The media aren't reporting knife crime being committed by black youths.
They're reporting knife crime being committed in london.

It just so happens that when found the perpetrators are predominantly black. That's not the media's fault.
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Which again could possibly be distorting view people have of overall knife crime in the UK?
 
I haven’t looked into the statistics. But up north the poverty factor exists. Well I am lead to believe it does from Northeners... what is the gun/ knife crime like up there in comparison?

Genuinely interested.
 
Freakbro said:
Which again could possibly be distorting view people have of overall knife crime in the UK?
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Again no statistics here but I am willing to hedge a bet that in correlation to their total population in the UK their involvement in knife crime sits pretty darn high as a percentage compared to any other race or ethnic group.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
just bring the factors in which isnt race.its drugs.drugs is the main cause of the issues.done.not race.
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I’d argue it isn’t... plenty drugs up north. I’m waiting for some stats but gun and knife culture doesn’t appear to be an issue up there?

Go to any electronic music festival.. drug taking and dealing are rampant. No real issues at those?

Notting hill carnival always seems to make headlines for violence though.

I agree poverty plays a role. However the instant fall back argument ‘it’s because we are poor’ seems to get weaker once people look into it.
 
Rifte said:
*edit* My assumption was not based on statistics I had at hand, however a very quick google search found this quote from a BBC article http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089:

"For every 100,000 people in the capital, there were 114 knife offences in 2016, with separate figures, from the mayor's office, showing that young black and minority ethnic teenage boys and men were disproportionately affected, as both victims and perpetrators."
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Disproportionally affected doesn't tell us whether nearly all knife crime (or even a majority) is committed by young black men though.
 
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