Is it racist to say gun/knife crime in London is predominantly caused by a certain race?

[Skunkworks]

I read an article a while ago that said the natives were practically LARPing at gangsters until the Somali and Senegalese imports upped the ante considerably.

It seems like zero consideration is given to the consequences of plucking people from the most violent, backward hell-holes on the planet and dropping them into a secular liberal society. Here’s a clue: it’s not magic soil that makes these places violent backward dumps.

As usual with these situations, someone rubber-stamps these imports so they can either pat themselves on the back, or are terrified of being called racist if they don’t. Meanwhile someone else pays for the decision by collecting a loved one from the morgue.

This PC **** needs to stop.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Yet when the likes of I or even the United States President suggests a ban on immigration form places like Somalia, easily the most lawless country in the world, and others of similar ilk, people reach for the smelling salts... I recall Keith Vaz, he of ill health unable to face questions on his role in a homosexual drug party, yet travelling the globe, embracing Romanian immigrants to the UK on their joining the EU, and saying nothing will change, few will come. Yet the Met has now got its work cut out with Roma gypsies sleeping rough and being near dominant in some regions for street and cash point crime. We need to address the fact that immigrants from regions of lawlessness, or from cultures with a long history of criminality bring those traits to the UK with them.

Chalk and cheese. POTUS criticised for not banning immigration from countries with proven terrorism exports like Saudi Arabia.

Try again, Chris.

Indeed and I don't think anyone has even blamed skin colour tbh.. I'm not sure what all the faux virtue signalling from some posters in this thread re: "the bigots" etc.. is in reference too.

dowie in "surprised to see discussion about racism in thread about racism" shocker.

 

[dowie]

dowie in "surprised to see discussion about racism in thread about racism" shocker.

no that isn't what I said... but I guess it shouldn't be surprising to see comments about posters that aren't actually based on things that have been posted

 

[Rifte]

dowie in "surprised to see discussion about racism in thread about racism" shocker.

No, IMO he was just commenting that the usual 'bigot' accusations get fired at anyone who seems to believe that there is a cultural problem out there and they happen to use the word 'black' in their reasoning.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

No, IMO he was just commenting that the usual 'bigot' accusations get fired at anyone who seems to believe that there is a cultural problem out there and they happen to use the word 'black' in their reasoning.

Nobody has. I added it as a preface to my quote, hence the "before".

Blimey.. lots of accusations of people not reading posts from people not reading posts.

 

[Dis86]

Nobody has. I added it as a preface to my quote, hence the "before".

Blimey.. lots of accusations of people not reading posts from people not reading posts.

Suggest you review posts by the likes of omnonom

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Fp.. I should have said "I haven't" instead of "Nobody has" given Rifte was quoting me, and I'm the only one to have used the word "bigot(s)" thus far.

 

[Freakbro]

"It's patently obvious we have imported a lot of immigrants who are unwilling or unable to adopt British values to life and harmonious existence, or to see their offspring adopt them.

Not sure what you are saying there Chris, that before we had immigration the British had a harmonious existence without violent crime, stabbing or murder.....is that what you are trying to infer? Because obviously that's patently untrue.

Now I know the standard retort will be, "Oh but we have enough of our own [ignoring then that there doesn't seem to be some inalienable British value of harmonious existence], we don't need to import more of them" Which is the ignorant part of the discussion, since we obviously have required immigration throughout history for various reasons - though generally to do with jobs - and yes, some of those immigrants will commit some crime [unless of course you want to exist in the realms of fairies and unicorns and imagine we can have 100% people who don't cause trouble] but where your argument falls down is that when looking at the data most studies find immigrants generally commit crime at a lower per capita rate than the native population. Which doesn't quite live up to the hyperbole you like to spout.

aided by a liberal elite braying we are all racists, ignorant and intolerant.

We don't accuse everyone of being racist, ignorant and intolerant at all, just the racist, ignorant and intolerant ones, of which there are plenty. There are also plenty of people who can discuss issues like this without throwing in their obviously biased racial slants to everything.

 

[inogen]

It seems like zero consideration is given to the consequences of plucking people from the most violent, backward hell-holes on the planet and dropping them into a secular liberal society...
This PC **** needs to stop.

We don't "pluck" people from anywhere.

So... racist?

 

[Undesirable]

Not sure what you are saying there Chris, that before we had immigration the British had a harmonious existence without violent crime, stabbing or murder.....is that what you are trying to infer? Because obviously that's patently untrue.

Now I know the standard retort will be, "Oh but we have enough of our own [ignoring then that there doesn't seem to be some inalienable British value of harmonious existence], we don't need to import more of them"

Nope, the standard argument is that we have more prevalent knife crime now than we did prior to mass immigration, so we need to get to deporting.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Absolutely nothing to do with us having fewer police officers than ever before, right? Must be those damn immigrants.

 

[Rifte]

Absolutely nothing to do with us having fewer police officers than ever before, right? Must be those damn immigrants.

There are a large number of people that don't need the police around to deter them from stabbing someone else......it's kind of a given that it's not the done thing.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Not sure what you are saying there Chris, that before we had immigration the British had a harmonious existence without violent crime, stabbing or murder.....is that what you are trying to infer? Because obviously that's patently untrue.

Now I know the standard retort will be, "Oh but we have enough of our own [ignoring then that there doesn't seem to be some inalienable British value of harmonious existence], we don't need to import more of them" Which is the ignorant part of the discussion, since we obviously have required immigration throughout history for various reasons - though generally to do with jobs - and yes, some of those immigrants will commit some crime [unless of course you want to exist in the realms of fairies and unicorns and imagine we can have 100% people who don't cause trouble] but where your argument falls down is that when looking at the data most studies find immigrants generally commit crime at a lower per capita rate than the native population. Which doesn't quite live up to the hyperbole you like to spout.



We don't accuse everyone of being racist, ignorant and intolerant at all, just the racist, ignorant and intolerant ones, of which there are plenty. There are also plenty of people who can discuss issues like this without throwing in their obviously biased racial slants to everything.

Talking of bias as one who has a sister that you said goes to Calais to assist the migrants to enter the UK, presumably illegally as they would need no assistance had they the correct ID and documentation to do so within our immigration laws, it would be hard to expect no bias from your side either

 

[Freakbro]

Nope, the standard argument is that we have more prevalent knife crime now than we did prior to mass immigration, so we need to get to deporting.

And that would be the ignorant part of the discussion I mentioned earlier

 

[explicit4u]

Nope, the standard argument is that we have more prevalent knife crime now than we did prior to mass immigration, so we need to get to deporting.

Where exactly are you going to deport British citizens to?

 

[Undesirable]

Where exactly are you going to deport British citizens to?

Their parents' country of origin, along with their parents. If further down the ancestral line then they can languish in jail, I suppose.

There are a large number of people that don't need the police around to deter them from stabbing someone else......it's kind of a given that it's not the done thing.

Exactly.

And that would be the ignorant part of the discussion I mentioned earlier

Sorry, I didn't notice what you wrote earlier.

 

[Freakbro]

Talking of bias as one who has a sister that you said goes to Calais to assist the migrants to enter the UK,

Your memory is failing in your advancing years Chris (I do appreciate that you actually pay attention to my posts though, as I try to do with others ) she didn't go to assist anyone with entering the UK, she went as part of a women & children refuge group to try and make their conditions better (Won't somebody think of the children!!?!). Planting flowers and such **** was some of the stuff she did....yes, she is a complete hippy

presumably illegally as they would need no assistance had they the correct ID and documentation to do so within our immigration laws,

Lucky then there was nothing to do with illegal entry in to the country, just someone showing compassion to others. I get that you wouldn't understand that.

it would be hard to expect no bias from your side either

I don't have much truck with most of her hippy (unrealistic) views but I don't see anything wrong with what she did, but it's completely irrelevant to my views on the matter. But nice attempt avoiding answering any points in my post

 

[Chris Wilson]

Anything done to assist or make their lives better is wrong IMO, everything possible should be done to return them to the first country they came to when leaving wherever they probably claim were being "nasty" to them. Those claiming to be children have been proven to have a high percentage of frauds amongst them. We have enough issues with parentless or feckless parented kids in care of our own without fetching more of them in. In my opinion the majority are economic migrants chancing their arm with undocumented claims of this that and the other, hoping to find an illegal entry here. If you haven't garnered what my opinions on illegal immigration and mass immigration in general are by now I have to say you are being obtuse

 

[Skunkworks]

We don't "pluck" people from anywhere.

Out of everything I said you concentrate on one word?

So... racist?

Remember the good ol' days when that word had magic powers to make uncomfortable conversations instantly vanish? Those days have passed.

 

[mmj_uk]

I read an interview with an ex-gang member who basically said that immigrants/gangs coming in from places like Somalia took the violence to a new level and the British gangs had to up their game and have a bit of an arms race just out of survival. Multiculturalism is all well and good but when you let in dangerous gangs from places where murder and hijacking ships with fire arms is an occupation they aren't going to bring in a fantastic new culture. This is why the majority of the country want some kind of control/vetting on those coming in to the country, the government letting in the very worst people unvetted is hurting actual asylum seekers more than anyone because it's turning people against immigration altogether.