How children change mothers ownership rights

413x said:
I had a conversation with one of my female friends. She said she would (as she wants kids so badly) I was absolutely disgusted. I genuinely couldn't someone could want kids so badly as to entrap their partner. I told my gf and thank goodness she was disgusted too!
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I've had this conversation with a few women too. They say they'd get pregnant on purpose, but it's the pride they say it with... weird.
 
I wonder if the stake a mother has, has anything to do with the child's expected future life income?

Like if the woman had paid a proportion of the mortgage as "rent" for x years and potentially cleaned up the house (which i'll assume is also shared), then surely that'd mean she deserves that rent back aswell as what a minimum wage cleaner would earn for the time? right?

How does the child change things.
 
Isn't the usual procedure to cash out, move country and change your name? :D

Anyway, this is exactly why less and less people are getting married or having kids. Women want to, but guys see it as too risky for them.
 
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Participant said:
Op ignore all the trust-based comments. It's irrelevant as things change and only a fool wouldn't at least understand their legal position, notwithstanding the ridiculous accusations of woman hating.

Half the guys talking about trust are probably virgins living their love lives vicariously through the honour code of a manga comic. Real life isn't so simple.
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I actually laughed out loud at this... because it's probably quite true

413x said:
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But don't have kids if you can't handle the loss of assets.
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I can't, which is why I am seeking advise here
I guess many people work hard all their lives to gain assets, only to find a woman, get divorced and have half of it taken away. I am not married and do not plan to get married for some time


Participant said:
Op ignore all the trust-based comments. It's irrelevant as things change and only a fool wouldn't at least understand their legal position, notwithstanding the ridiculous accusations of woman hating.

Half the guys talking about trust are probably virgins living their love lives vicariously through the honour code of a manga comic. Real life isn't so simple.
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I actually laughed out loud at this... because it's probably quite true

413x said:
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But don't have kids if you can't handle the loss of assets.
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I can't, which is why I am seeking advise here
I guess many people work hard all their lives to gain assets, only to find a woman, get divorced and have half of it taken away. I am not married and do not plan to get married for some time
Caracus2k said:
If you do move in together and later separate and your (ex) partner can show she has a 'beneficial interest' in the property she may be able to get a court to order that she is entitled to some of the proceeds of any sale, that she has the right to stay living at the address or, if you have children, that she should stay living in the address until the children are 18 if this is in the children's best interests......

A beneficial interest is a way of recognising any contribution a partner has made towards an address... For example if everything was in your name but all bills, including the mortgage, are split 50\50 a court is not likely to accept any argument you make that its 'your' home alone and is pretty likely to order you to hand over 50‰ if it's sold or may, if you have children, direct that mother should stay in the address with the children ......

My advice, if you do move in together, is to only split food and utility bills with your partner.....

And make it clear that this is the case.... Keep records......

If your partner is left with money 'spare' in this arrangement vs her current situation maybe agree that she will save/invest it for the future (say for example if you do decide to get married and/ or have children.... )

..... It would also be useful if you split up and she needs a deposit for a new place to rent (maybe don't sell it to her on this basis though!)

If you are only splitting the utility and food bills a court is less likely to consider you partner to have a beneficial interest.

With regards to children you are financially affected whether or not you are living together if you split up...... but as above could also end up losing the home you are paying the mortgage on in the worse case scenario if you are cohabiting .....

Ignore the comments about trusting your partner..... Simple fact is the overwhelming majority of relationships fail..... It's perfectly sensible to want to understand your financial position in a relationship and make plans in case it does all go wrong......

More info on cohabiting can be found here....

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/f...ving-together-and-marriage-legal-differences/
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Some great advise there, thanks


413x said:
I had a conversation with one of my female friends. She said she would (as she wants kids so badly) I was absolutely disgusted. I genuinely couldn't someone could want kids so badly as to entrap their partner. I told my gf and thank goodness she was disgusted too!

It wasn't for financial gain, but she said she would want to know who the father is rather than go to a down bank!
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I think many women who really want kids will trap their partners, I suspect it was the case with a guy at work. She was taking the pill and got pregnant, he just said he has super ***** but i'm not quite sure about that as the pill is supposed to be 99.9% effective if taken correctly

Caracus2k said:
The case of Burns vs Burns [1984] (who despite their names where never married) is relevant here



Make sure its clear that she isn't contributing towards the mortgage be that explicitly or by implication (by for example paying you or transferring into a joint account an amount exceeding her half of the food, utility bills etc)
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Why does it differ if the lodger is my girlfriend or a random person? i.e if a random person was my lodger I would need to slowly sly money into my account to cover "food costs only" or anything like that. My girlfriend is a lodger is someone elses house and doesn't do anything like that - if she started a relationship with her landlord would her payment arrangement change so she had less rights?
 
Best not to get married. Until near retirement.

You can be living with someone and have a child and it's a lot lot harder to claim a stake in stuff that isn't in your name when you split up. If you're married then get ready to go 50/50 or 40/60 in her favour.

Not a nice subject to talk about...but I agree with earlier comments...best to know your rights.

When my partner moved in and paid money to cover the extra costs I got her to say "rent" on the money she gave me. I don't think that is unreasonable.

You never know what will happen.
 
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Why does it differ if the lodger is my girlfriend or a random person? i.e if a random person was my lodger I would need to slowly sly money into my account to cover "food costs only" or anything like that. My girlfriend is a lodger is someone elses house and doesn't do anything like that - if she started a relationship with her landlord would her payment arrangement change so she had less rights?
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A lodger pays for their own room and shares other rooms....

A partner isn't a 'lodger' ...

The concept of 'beneficial interest' isn't predicated on there being a romantic/sexual relationship (but it may help imply that there was an implied arrangement between the parties) so even outside of these sorts of relationships people could still make claims to property.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/private_renting/lodgers

The case of Campbell vs Griffin is a case where a lodger was able to claim a beneficial interest in a property he had been a lodger in for some years (albeit there are some particular features of this case like verbal assurances from the owners about his position re the property)

Who is a lodger
You are a lodger if you rent a room in your landlord's home and you share facilities such as the bathroom and kitchen with your landlord
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Nasher said:
Isn't the usual procedure to cash out, move country and change your name? :D

Anyway, this is exactly why less and less people are getting married or having kids. Women want to, but guys see it as too risky for them.
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Bingo, I'll never get married because as a male I just see it as a big scam.
 
In b4 she jacks half your house and posters here keep harping on about "MUH TRUST"....

You need to be smart about this kind of thing because it happens and happens frequently. Dudes lose half their **** because they didn't cover their ass legally.

No matter how much you think you trust someone people change like the wind. Protect yourself always.

Also... you should probably see a lawyer about this kind of stuff. It is quite important. Funnily enough I remmeber a poster on here a year ago complaining how he shacked up with his GF then they got divorced and she took half his house.
 
Participant said:
Half the guys talking about trust are probably virgins living their love lives vicariously through the honour code of a manga comic. Real life isn't so simple.
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Or Disney films.... but what they fail to show is Snow White cheating on the prince by having a gangbang with the 7 dwarves then taking half his castle and his dog....
 
There’s significant misinformation and bitterness in this thread!

Children and not marriage really matters, as it should. If you have children you should contribute to their upbringing - in many cases that is the woman staying at home / taking career breaks.

As far as living with someone, unmarried and with no kids there’s almost no way for that person to make a claim. Have a quick read on resulting & constructive trusts if you’re worried. Basis being any significant contributes either at the outlay or ongoing costs could rise to a claim - it would have to be significant and a direct contribution to value. Contributes towards gas/electric and food would not count. If they contributed 50% to the mortgage for years then they definitely might/should have a claim.

My wife significantly out earns me and before we married I contributed a nominal amount of £350 a month towards all bills/household costs and never expected anything back from that.
 
Eurofighter said:
Be careful, im 32 and have never had a girl friend.
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I hope this is a joke, if not :(

Caracus2k said:
A lodger pays for their own room and shares other rooms....

A partner isn't a 'lodger' ...

The concept of 'beneficial interest' isn't predicated on there being a romantic/sexual relationship (but it may help imply that there was an implied arrangement between the parties) so even outside of these sorts of relationships people could still make claims to property.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/private_renting/lodgers

The case of Campbell vs Griffin is a case where a lodger was able to claim a beneficial interest in a property he had been a lodger in for some years (albeit there are some particular features of this case like verbal assurances from the owners about his position re the property)
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I might get my girlfriend this to sign (for her birthday)

I .... explicitly state I have not or will not ever have a beneficial interest in the property.... and am a lodger at this property

Could end up posting back here that I have been thrown off my own balcony or at least my testicles have :D
 
Guest2 said:
I hope this is a joke, if not :(
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There are a surprisingly amount of people like that. Often you'd find they are somewhere on the autism spectrum (not always obvious and many don't even realize) and just lack the emotion towards other people. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it's just one of those things.

Anyway. Does "owning" everything through a Ltd company protect your assets? :D
 
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Sorry to have to post this, but discussions like this always remind me of the opening scene of Idiocracy.
 
make sure she keeps taking her contraception then no issues. If she stops taking it, punch her in the stomach once a week. Working for me so far....
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
Happened to a friend of mine, supposedly on birth control and boom trapped him with a kid.
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Don't get why anyone would want to do this.
If someone did it to me id be the a terrible version of myself the other party wouldnt want to live with anyway!
 
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