Morgan Freeman accused of sexual harassment

VincentHanna said:
Apparently we're back to victim blaming.

Women should wear trousers if they don't want their skirts lifted, right guys?.....
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It seems several posters have gone full... (never go full...)

There is no doubt that certain revealing outfits are worn - at least partly - to demonstrate attractiveness of a sexual nature.

Of course we men can't assume that they are intending to draw our eye; after all she might be a lesbian.

But let's not ignore the elephant here... you don't wear a short (short) skirt with a g-string because it's comfortable.

Women wear certain outfits to show off their bodies. That is quite simply beyond obvious, and painful to have to type (even more painful to watch people try to deny it tho).

We've entered an era of such stupidity that we can't even admit to such things. "You can't say women wear skimpy outfits to show off their bodies! You sexist, racist, misogynist dinosaur! They wear them to ... erm... to be, er... liberated ... from clothing... Yes. That's it. They are liberating themselves from the yoke of modest clothing imposed on them by the evil patriarchy!"

Frankly, if you can't admit that women wear skimpy outfits to illicit sexual desire in others, then the world is official ******* crazy.
 
String said:
Maybe, just maybe... they're dressing to please themselves, and not the strange men that might enter their field of vision?
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So women don't go "on the pull" then...

You genuinely can't find a link between outfits and sexual attraction? A link that women themselves understand, and use to good effect?

Or it's just not PC to acknowledge this?

Is the idea that women are helpless, and utterly unaware of their own sexuality? Or so innocent that they would never seek to maximise their sexual attractiveness for their own ends?

Laughable, frankly.
 
So this is just an "investigation" carried out by a disgruntled reporter for CNN? After seeing how mainstream media lied and twisted the story to suit their agenda with pewdiepie recently I can't take this seriously at all.
 
Malevolence said:
Yes, because women just love wearing those extremely comfy and easy to walk in stilettos.
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They do!? :confused:


Sure there's people who dress for the attention of the opposite sex, it'd be silly to deny that, but I don't think it's as common as people think. Most girls I go out with dress in whatever makes them feel good about themselves, and actively try to avoid male attention.
 
explicit4u said:
Most girls I go out with dress in whatever makes them feel good about themselves, and actively try to avoid male attention.
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So the follow-on question is: "Why do you think dressing suggestively might make someone feel good about themselves?"

Consciously or unconsciously, we dress to impress; we dress to show off our health, vigour, potency, confidence... etc. And all things are related to comparing ourselves to others, to impressing others, to attracting others, to fitting in with others.

We're exceptionally complex and really quite simple at the same time.

If dressing suggestively makes you feel good about yourself then there's a reason behind that. That you derive value from being desired by others. That you need to be desired or to feel desirable.

So to then be shocked when someone takes the bait would be a trifle naive.

Frankly guys it's not rocket science. If a girl wears a micro skirt, high heels and a see-through top, she ought to know what kind of reaction that will engender. It's fairly simple cause and effect that anyone post adolescence should fully understand.
 
Malevolence said:
Yes, because women just love wearing those extremely comfy and easy to walk in stilettos.
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There are other explanations:

1) To compete with other women.
2) To appeal to their own ego.

In both those things, being sexually attractive to other people is a means of measuring success and not the goal. While humans are animals, we're more complex animals because of our more complex minds. While other animals posing to exaggerate their attractiveness and portray themself as more attractive than others do so specifically to attract a mate, humans can do the same thing for other reasons too.

EDIT: I somehow forgot what's probably the most important factor - custom. People will tend to dress in whatever way it's customary for their peers (or the people who they want to be their peers) dress.
 
FoxEye said:
It seems several posters have gone full... (never go full...)

There is no doubt that certain revealing outfits are worn - at least partly - to demonstrate attractiveness of a sexual nature.

Of course we men can't assume that they are intending to draw our eye; after all she might be a lesbian.

But let's not ignore the elephant here... you don't wear a short (short) skirt with a g-string because it's comfortable.

Women wear certain outfits to show off their bodies. That is quite simply beyond obvious, and painful to have to type (even more painful to watch people try to deny it tho).

We've entered an era of such stupidity that we can't even admit to such things. "You can't say women wear skimpy outfits to show off their bodies! You sexist, racist, misogynist dinosaur! They wear them to ... erm... to be, er... liberated ... from clothing... Yes. That's it. They are liberating themselves from the yoke of modest clothing imposed on them by the evil patriarchy!"

Frankly, if you can't admit that women wear skimpy outfits to illicit sexual desire in others, then the world is official ******* crazy.
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Yep,

Anyone denying woman dress (at times) for attention is DELUSIONAL. Full on.

Why do jacked bros wear stringers? Oh yeah totally not to show off my biceps/chest at all....
 
Suicidal Ferret said:
What a load of cobblers. Theres a difference to dressing to feel good and being touched up because cave men like you believe its what they wanted
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I didn't say anything about being touched up, did I. And if it's proven that Freeman's hands were a little too free, there's not going to be many people here defending unwanted groping.

What I did say is that it's understandable for a bloke to approach a women whose dress is leaving little to the imagination.

I said you can't demonise men for approaching women in that situation, or for assuming that there was intent on the part of the woman to create desire in onlookers. At the very least women who dress that way should be prepared for a little male attention.

Do you really need to be insulting and put words into other people's mouths to make a point?

Also you really need to think about the reasons why people "feel good" in suggestive outfits. We don't exist in a vacuum, and we often feel good when we think/know that other people place value upon some aspect of ourselves.
 
Angilion said:
There are other explanations:

1) To compete with other women.
2) To appeal to their own ego.

In both those things, being sexually attractive to other people is a means of measuring success and not the goal. While humans are animals, we're more complex animals because of our more complex minds. While other animals posing to exaggerate their attractiveness and portray themself as more attractive than others do so specifically to attract a mate, humans can do the same thing for other reasons too.

EDIT: I somehow forgot what's probably the most important factor - custom. People will tend to dress in whatever way it's customary for their peers (or the people who they want to be their peers) dress.
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If the attraction is not the goal, but the measure of success, then two things must follow:

1) The women is perfectly well aware of the effect that her suggestive dress has
2) Men/women must react, either by approaching or by staring, in order that she have something to measure

In either case, inert men do nothing to help her own esteem, do they? Inert men who do not react because society says you should ignore the way a woman dresses... how does that help the woman in your example, to measure her success/ inflate her ego?
 
FoxEye said:
If the attraction is not the goal, but the measure of success, then two things must follow:

1) The women is perfectly well aware of the effect that her suggestive dress has
2) Men/women must react, either by approaching or by staring, in order that she have something to measure

In either case, inert men do nothing to help her own esteem, do they? Inert men who do not react because society says you should ignore the way a woman dresses... how does that help the woman in your example, to measure her success/ inflate her ego?
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That's true. It would make it more difficult for her to measure her success, but she'd have to use other women to do so. It's specifically only men who are to be inert (and thus powerless) and presumed guilty anyway regardless of what they do or don't do. That's the whole point of the campaigning - to target only men and make everywhere a hostile environment for only men. So it leaves women free to do what they like and so success could be measured that way, albeit more indirectly in most cases.
 
FoxEye said:
Frankly guys it's not rocket science. If a girl wears a micro skirt, high heels and a see-through top, she ought to know what kind of reaction that will engender. It's fairly simple cause and effect that anyone post adolescence should fully understand.
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I get what you're saying, you're right men will react.


But what if you have someone who's been in a nudist colony or some sort of ancient tribe their whole life? Surely they will not react in the same way as someone who's never seen boobs until they were 22 and has been brainwashed into believing that a woman's bits are some sort of sacred temple which must never be shown nor seen.
 
I posted this a few days after I got back. A few years back I was at a mate's wedding, up in barbarian country, and the lads had to wear kilts. I lost track of the amount of times we were asked what we were wearing underneath and had some random woman trying to lift them up for a peek. We took it as it was intended - a bit of a laugh. Thing is though, when one bloke got a bit sick and tired of it and had a word with one particular woman he was told to 'lighten up, it's a bit of fun'.

So, does that mean it's acceptable to go around asking women if they're wearing underwear or not and attempting to lift their dresses to find out? After all, it's just a bit of lighthearted fun isn't it?
 
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