100 year old woman dies after having neck broken in bag theft

Whilst I agree with this part, the rest of your post is conjecture; you don't know for sure that this is a habit of his; it might genuinely be the first time he's attacked someone violently. And even if that's not he case, there's no guarantee he's done it before but not been caught, so might not have a criminal record. So it seems a bit premature to start attacking the immigration system - other than of course to add to the "lets blame the EU for everything" rhetoric.

Yes, it is conjecture, based on statistics. (Yep I am fine with profiling too, as long as it delivers the goods)

The numbers of people who get through their lives to their late 30's and then suddenly go bad and start mugging elderly women must be vanishingly small.

Middle age violent offenders are people who have been violent offenders all their lives.

Whether this is an imigration failure or a UK justice system failure is sort of beside the point.


Whilst I am sympathetic towards the idea of reforming youth offenders, Anybody ANYBODY, who is still offending in adulthood really needs to be exiled/locked up for good.
 
Yet there are plenty of cases of adults reforming and repairing their life, are you saying a single white collar offence is totally irredeemable?
 
Yet there are plenty of cases of adults reforming and repairing their life, are you saying a single white collar offence is totally irredeemable?

What is it with you, a white collar offence???

He mugged a OAP and she died, nothing white about that its just wrong in so many ways.

You also say to reform? To what attack younger people as opposed to octogenarians.

Lets just say you have a big key to wind people up.

Am out.
 
Whilst I am sympathetic towards the idea of reforming youth offenders, Anybody ANYBODY, who is still offending in adulthood really needs to be exiled/locked up for good.

I was specifically attacking this rather vague statement.
 
Lol, it's GD, not sure what you'd expect. The closet authoritarians, racists, supremacists, charlatans and bigots all come out to play regardless of what happened.

Bury your head in the sand if you want, but an increase in the crime rate due to an influx of criminals from Eastern Europe
was something even the dopiest fan of free-movement should have envisaged.
 
Bury your head in the sand if you want, but an increase in the crime rate due to an influx of criminals from Eastern Europe was something even the dopiest fan of free-movement should have envisaged.

We've had lots of immigration from Eastern Europe since 2004, yet crime rates have mostly fallen since then.

The uptick in crime (especially violent crime) over the last year or two is probably more to do with fewer police officers and the underfunding of the criminal justice system than EU immigrants.
 
Pushing over and mugging a pensioner is a bit more serious than a standard minor assault/theft. It's an act of violence & a complete disregard for the safety of a 'vulnerable' person, it's not really different to assaulting a child - as at that age a moderate incident can result in far more severe consequences.

The fact he didn't mean to kill her isn't really key - it's that he was willing to engage in an act of violence/excessive force against a person fully unable to defend themselves. This says allot about a persons personality & likely willingness to repeat this act.

Manslaughter is appropriate (by definition) & a long sentence also due to the clear risk this person is to the public.

You don't have to want a prisoner to 'suffer' to hold any views of 'justice' to estimate that this person is unlikely to contribute positively to society & highly likely going to be a future re-offender. While we don't have the data at hand, I'd be very surprised if this person didn't have a history.

As stated earlier in the thread, productive & normal members of society don't decide to start violently mugging women over 100. It it had been a hold up on a garage or something I'd be more forgiving (desperation vs wreck-less lack of concern of damage).
 
I also think that anyone who does stuff like this should rot in a pit. World would be a better place.

This is a country that regards calling someone " a ginger " a hate crime, a private members bill wishing to change the law to allow convicted felons to starve to death in a deep pit has little chance of success I fear but we applaud your hutzpah.
 
what the actual **** - he cut her ******* hand off to steal her ring?!

a firing squad is the easy way out for these buckets of utter crap. i'll go back to my initial post in this thread.......flay the skin from his body and lob him into a bath a of salt....plenty of adrenalien and drugs to keep him conscious. if he survives then off with both his hands.
 
I will continue to watch this thread with disquiet boredom as the macho men shout about death squads, posting Daily Mail links and generally being uncouth not realizing that they themselves would be the first targets of their own undesirable world.
 
I will continue to watch this thread with disquiet boredom as the macho men shout about death squads, posting Daily Mail links and generally being uncouth not realizing that they themselves would be the first targets of their own undesirable world.
you do that cupcake.....but when purge night comes, remember, yours will be one of the first doors kicked in :p

nothing wrong with a little gratuitous violence fantasy regarding these bottom feeders.....sadly, such delights will never befall them. instead they will be closeted, protected with vain attempts to redeem them.....all sadly, almost certainly doomed to fail.
 
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Ironic, survived being killed by Nazis in a camp but ends up getting killed being mugged. :(
I will continue to watch this thread with disquiet boredom as the macho men shout about death squads, posting Daily Mail links and generally being uncouth not realizing that they themselves would be the first targets of their own undesirable world.
Dunno I've not got a criminal record!
 
you do that cupcake.....but when purge night comes, remember, yours will be one of the first doors kicked in :p

nothing wrong with a little gratuitous violence fantasy regarding these bottom feeders.....sadly, such delights will never befall them. instead they will be closeted, protected with vain attempts to redeem them.....all sadly, almost certainly doomed to fail.

Have some lovely Godwin then.

“More than 14 years have passed since that ill fated day when, blinded by promises at home and abroad, the German volk [people] lost sight of the most valuable assets of our past and of our Reich, its honour and its freedom – and thus lost everything. Since those days of treachery, the Almighty has withheld His blessing from our Volk. Dissension and hatred have made their way into our midst. In the profoundest distress, millions of the best German men and women from all walks of life watch as the unity of the nation vanishes and dissolves in a muddle of political and egotistical opinions, economic interests and differences…

The misery of our volk is appalling! The starving millions of unemployed proletarians in industry are being followed by the impoverishment of the entire Mittelstand [middle-class] and artisan professions. When this disintegration ultimately reaches the German peasants, we will be confronted by a catastrophe of unfathomable dimensions. For not only will the Reich disintegrate, but with it a 2000-year-old inheritance, the most valuable assets of human culture and civilisation.

The warning signs of this approaching disintegration are all about us. In a single gigantic offensive of willpower and violence, the communist method of madness is attempting to poison and disrupt the volk, which is shaken and uprooted to its innermost core…

Peasants, workers, and bourgeoisie must all join together to provide the building blocks for the new Reich. The government will therefore regard it as its first and foremost duty to re-establish Volksgemeinschaft – the unity of spirit and will of our volk. It will preserve and defend the foundations upon which the power of our nation rests. It will extend its strong, protecting hand over Christianity as the basis of our entire morality, and the family as the germ cell of the body of our volk and State. It will reawaken in our volk, beyond the borders of rank and class, its sense of national and political unity, and its resultant duties. It will establish reverence for our great past and pride in our old traditions as the basis for the education of our German youth. It will declare a merciless war against spiritual, political and cultural nihilism. Germany must not and will not drown in anarchistic communism…

Resolved and true to our oath, we will — in view of the present Reichstag’s inability to support this work — ask the German volk itself to take on this task we call our own. Reich President von Hindenburg has called upon us and given us the order to use our own unity to restore to the nation the chance for recovery. Thus we now appeal to the German volk to take part in signing this deed of reconciliation.

The government wants to work – and it will work. It was not this government which led the German nation into ruin for 14 years. This government wants to lead the nation to the top once more. It is determined to pay the debt of 14 years in four years. But it cannot make the work of reconstruction dependent upon the approval of those who are to blame for the collapse.

The Marxist parties and their fellow travellers have had 14 years to prove their prowess. The result is a heap of ruins. Now, German volk, give us four years, and then pass judgment upon us!

True to the order of the Field Marshal, we shall begin. May Almighty God look mercifully upon our work, lead our will on the right path, bless our wisdom, and reward us with the confidence of our volk. We are not fighting for ourselves, but for Germany!”

I'll bore this thread right now with this woeful speech, there are plenty of parallels here (with the EU, Labour, low-middle class worker issues, misguided public, lies covering up for what would be a terrible future) and you're walking right into it. You can be offended if you wish, you won't even question why some people are the way they are, whether it's because they're actually mentally disabled. Just the initial conclusions brought about by a malign media empire hoping you continue to drown yourself in crude self-harming ideals because it's profitable, not because it's right or wrong.

Being criminal is clearly outside the norm and something clearly causes it, whether it's social ailments brought about by the very systems you seek to create/protect or mental illnesses that you may or may not regard as worth pursuing and solving.

Granted some people are simply not worth saving, but the gross generalisation is unfounded and poor judgement that stretch's well beyond the realm of the prison/judicial system that you seek to turn into death camps and public displays of state tyranny.
 
I will continue to watch this thread with disquiet boredom as the macho men shout about death squads, posting Daily Mail links and generally being uncouth not realizing that they themselves would be the first targets of their own undesirable world.

The Operative: I'm sorry. If your quarry goes to ground, leave no ground to go to. You should have taken my offer. Or did you think none of this was your fault?

Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: I don't murder children.

The Operative: I do. If I have to.

Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: Why? Do you even know why they sent you?

The Operative: It's not my place to ask. I believe in something greater than myself. A better world. A world without sin.

Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: So me and mine gotta lay down and die... so you can live in your better world?

The Operative: I'm not going to live there. There's no place for me there... any more than there is for you. Malcolm... I'm a monster. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done.

Where other men blindly follow the truth, Remember, nothing is true.
Where other men are limited by morality or law, Remember, everything is permitted.
 
I'm not sure you got the message from Serenity...

The operative was a tool of a government, blindly following orders. The alliance government had covered up the deaths of an entire planets worth of people, who they tried to make more amenable with a drug. When the news of the event got out to the people, the operative was no longer "their man" because he realised that blindly following orders of a corrupt government was stupid.
 
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