Idiot Son and 6 points
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This is a valid point. Perhaps he needs this as a wake up call. Sure I've heard of people doing this before but it's a great opportunity for him to think about what he's done and resolve it himself.
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He's 17, experienced brain cells a bit thin on the ground at that age, parental advice is paramount
[ I think it's in the job description of being a parent ] or he'll be down that bumpy road of thinking why pay hundreds
of quid to pass a test and thousands of squids to get insurance cover when nicking cars is much cheaper and more fun.
[ I think it's in the job description of being a parent ] or he'll be down that bumpy road of thinking why pay hundreds
of quid to pass a test and thousands of squids to get insurance cover when nicking cars is much cheaper and more fun.
Couldn’t agree more with this! A moment of stupidity.
In the grand scheme of things OP, it’s really not that bad. Don’t be too hard on the lad.
I know right. Cos I mean unlicensed, uninsured drivers never hurt anyone did they?
Nicking dust caps is really not that bad, taking a car without consent and driving without insurance or a licence is slightly above "really not that bad".
I'm not saying he needs sending to the firing squad but at 17 he's basically an adult and should know better.
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Definately a stressful time, but i have to agree. You have already done him a massive favour by not getting him done for taking a vechile without concent. However, you really need to look at the bigger picture. If someone had of been hurt you wouldnt have had this option, the police would have done him for taking without concent/theft if you didnt back them up then your own insurance wouldnt have paid out for any damages, and the police could give you points for letting him drive
The offences are known as IN10, driving without insurance, and IN12, allowing someone else to drive your car without insurance.
Both carry an automatic six to eight penalty points on your licence but, in the worst case, also come with a fine of up to £5,000 and a driving ban.
Insurance is going to be a killer. Without point depending on car insurance can easily hit £2-3k double that with 6 points. Only way to try bring that down would be once hes passed his test is get him enrolled on an advanced driver course and pass it as it will help with costs.
The offences are known as IN10, driving without insurance, and IN12, allowing someone else to drive your car without insurance.
Both carry an automatic six to eight penalty points on your licence but, in the worst case, also come with a fine of up to £5,000 and a driving ban.
Insurance is going to be a killer. Without point depending on car insurance can easily hit £2-3k double that with 6 points. Only way to try bring that down would be once hes passed his test is get him enrolled on an advanced driver course and pass it as it will help with costs.
Pains me to say it, but I'm with Roland on this one.
Leaving a 17 year old to work their way thru the quagmire of points, license rules, DVLA and massive insurance costs vs the easy path of no-licence and uninsured, undocumented £200 banger from Gatwick... please don't!
"Leaving em to it" is when they declare they are going to shave their head, put mustard on their balls, wear bright red trousers and go on a march.
In this case, he's probably best taking his test - getting the points on his full licence - then leaving it in the drawer and taking the bus for the next 3 years.
How did he get caught? Was he doing something stupid to warrant being pulled over? Or was it just real bad luck... You say it was your wifes car which is presumably insured, so no ANPR camera would have noticed an uninsured driver.
I always thought it was 6 points before having licence revoked (the wording says 6 and up).
I always thought it was 6 points before having licence revoked (the wording says 6 and up).
Yeah and her name was Alice. Not nicking a car and proceeding to take it for a joy ride!
One is a stupid thing to do (she was a bag if crazy) the other is a significant crime.
Those were my thoughts. He's hardly going to learn any sort of lesson if Mummy & Daddy step in to sort it all out for him is he? The we've all done things when we were young argument doesn't wash either. There's a difference between teenage-stupid and illegal behavior. What if he'd hit someone while uninsured or worse hurt someone. Why was he pulled? you don't typically get pulled for good driving. He needs a foot up his backside and not bailing out by Mum & Dad, let him sort it himself.
Does make me wonder if this was the first time of many that he had taken the car?
My kids for example would never drive any of our cars for which they are not insured. I remember years ago my eldest son who had just passed his test wanted to move my car from the front to the side of the house so he could wash it, he asked if he could move it, my answer was no as there was no way I was going to encourage him to move the car uninsured even if it was all of 20 yards.
My kids for example would never drive any of our cars for which they are not insured. I remember years ago my eldest son who had just passed his test wanted to move my car from the front to the side of the house so he could wash it, he asked if he could move it, my answer was no as there was no way I was going to encourage him to move the car uninsured even if it was all of 20 yards.
There is no wait, he is not banned and just needs to pass a normal driving test, he could take the next available test and be allowed to legally drive on the road. If you get 6 points as a new driver you only have to re-take your test which you can do almost immediately and be straight back on the road, you only get banned at 12+ points or a more serious driving offence.
The cost of insurance is the only barrier, this is one of those cases where a 'black box' is probably the best option.
As has mostly been established, he can still sit and pass the driving test and get a full drivers licence, however if he accrues any more points until the originals can be removed, he will lose it no questions asked.
Passing and getting the bus for three years is likely the only option you'll have, I'm not sure how many insurers would touch a new driver with six points and a driving without insurance offence? And even if they do, I can imagine that figure knocking on five figures...
Passing and getting the bus for three years is likely the only option you'll have, I'm not sure how many insurers would touch a new driver with six points and a driving without insurance offence? And even if they do, I can imagine that figure knocking on five figures...
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I personally would let him do it, if he is stupid enough to make the same mistake again you will then have learned a valuable thing about your child...
namely he is a moron.
Thus its prob time to changer your will
Well, licensed insured drivers hurt plenty of people too
And the victim is still covered by the MIB if he did have an accident. (No that's not justification in any way!)I've just googled and I'm actually shocked at the numbers of unisured cars there are tbh!
Table one: League table of the UK’s top 10 uninsured vehicle hotspots
Area Percentage of vehicles that are uninsured Chance of vehicle involved in an accident being uninsured
- East London 13.4% 1 in 8
North London 9.3% 1 in 11
South East London 9.1% 1 in 11
Liverpool 7.9% 1 in 13
Bradford 7.6% 1 in 13
Manchester 7.4% 1 in 14
North West London 7.4% 1 in 14
Oldham 7.2% 1 in 14
Ilford 7.1% 1 in 14
East Central London 6.6% 1 in 1
https://www.churchill.com/press-office/releases/2016/uninsured-driving-hotspots-in-the-uk