People need better willpower. I've been cutting during the spring/summer months like I do every year. Very low carb, high protein diet 5 days a week. Weekends are my cheat days. It's really not that hard to eat healthy if you really want to. Most people just don't have any motivation to do so.
This 'sugar tax' crap is doing my head in!
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A portion of chips and a can of diet coke please.
Always folds me with laughter in the local chippy.
Why though? It's surely better than chips and a full sugar coke.
Ordering a Diet coke doesn't mean that you are on a diet or trying to lose weight, maybe you are just trying to lessen the overall calorific impact of what you are having, which is a good thing when a chunk of those calories come from something as useless as soft drink.
Or maybe, like me. You are diabetic and can't have 'normal' full sugar drinks. Always order diet or Zero when I am eating out or getting take away.
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I can remember surviving on Pek, using soup kitchens and having very little to eat in the 80s. I will eat what I want. Still paying 60p a coke.
Yeah, an authoritarian state attempting to force its own values on the public by manipulating the market and reducing consumer choice is nothing to be bothered about.
Dude, salt doesn't have calories and pretty much every natural food contains carbohydrates, fat and salt. School science education has gone downhill...
Yeah, an authoritarian state attempting to force its own values on the public by manipulating the market and reducing consumer choice is nothing to be bothered about.
Not in this case it isn't no, because like all things it's a balance and there is an issue in society that is getting worse whilst being left to individual companies and people to manage. So now it is time for the state to step in.
I'm sorry I can't take you seriously when you call bread, pasta and rice junk food.
Yep. Randomly choose "Onion".
0.1g Fat
9g Carbohydrate
4mg sodium
1.1g protein
EDIT: You have heard the saying, "You are what you eat", when you also eat what you are. Live is so similar on this planet from Onions to Software engineers we are generally made of the same stuff and thus eat the same stuff.
He did say White Bread, and as with White Rice, yes that is highly processed junk food.
The problem is, what you are clearly displaying, is people don't actually know as much about the food they eat as they think they do.
He also said no food in nature has "high quantities" of fat and sugars together, as our processed foods have, so your choice of an onion is supporting his statement.
No what I am saying is it doesn't really matter as much as people claim. Your body will run absolutely fine on most things, even some extreme diets are perfectly viable. People are getting all polarised and exploding things out of all proportion when there is no need.
Anyone refering to sugar and carbohydrates in general as "bad for you" is a complete idiot with no biological understanding.
Pasta is a food often consumed by athletes before events as it is a perfect slow release energy food.
The number one problem and number two problem has already been discussed.
1. People eat for comfort.
2. People eat too much.
These are the big ones by orders of magnitude. If people did neither there would not need to be a question about this food type or that food type.
This is clearly visible in the fact that dietary advise is not a regulated profession and anyone degree or no degree can claim to be one. Simply because it is very difficult to damage yourself through eating unless you go to some serious extremes. Our bodies have evoled to get the most out of almost anything they can eat.
So in 100 years when obesity has been eradicated they will remove the tax and start again? Or will it just eventually be like cigarettes where it's in the budget every year and rises?
And your mars bar now costs £7.50 with £7.42 going to the government?
Not a head in sand moment at all, but I do not see why a government should interfere in such things, what they should be doing in schools with kids is making sure they understand food and how they can eat healthy, but that doesn't fit targets for league tables does it (maybe we start by introducing an obesity league table for schools and penalise them heavily for churning out fatties). Maybe more emphasis should be put on this in schools and after school clubs should be mandatory, make the school day longer but more physical activities on the agenda after the traditional 3:30 finish time. Not just sweet, sugar tax added, that will do the job.
Yeah I slipped up there, what I meant to say, is that the majority of calories come from fat and carbohydrate, but that food also contains a very large amount of salt. Because within the context of what I was explaining, is how the food industry uses those three of these at the same time, to make food "hyper palatable" I didn't mean to say that calories come from salt (because that's obviously wrong)
White rice, white bread and white pasta are 100% junk food, because as I've explained - they've had all of the things that make them good for you, (specifically fibre) removed and bleached out. This is why they're white in colour, in the case of white bread, all of the rye and endosperm is taken out - so you're basically left with slabs of glucose, the same goes for white rice. This is why people with diabetes should never eat these foods, because it's mostly refined carbohydrate and not much else, it does however taste great.
Let's also not forget, that some brands of white bread add sugar to their loaves, so it totally falls within the category of processed comfort food, it's basically like eating a bag of crisps or other rubbish.
Firstly, nobody at any point (as far as I can tell) has said that sugar and carbohydrates are bad for you in general at all, what's being said, is that processed food that's been engineered, with very high amounts of refined carbohydrate to make it nothing other than comfort food, is very bad.
Secondly, (as i've already explained) it makes perfect sense for Athletes to consume huge amounts of carbohydrates, because refined carbohydrate is very very good at replenishing glycogen, this is why Michael Phelps's dinner famously contained about 10x chocolate chip muffins, and a whole load of hellish food. Scientifically - it makes perfect sense because Phelps is basically one huge slap of muscle, so he has the metabolic rate to make use of it, combined with his training schedule - he is essentially one gigantic calorie burning machine. However, 99.9999% of people eating high carbohydrate processed foods are nothing like Michael Phelps.
You'll find traces of fat in vegetables, like less than 0.1% of fat in things like onions, but as @Freakbro pointed out, I was talking about foods high in both at the same time, you won't find a vegetable that's high in fat and sugar, in the same way you won't find an animal that contains carbohydrates in it's meat - it doesn't exist.
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The only food that spings to my mind that is both (relatively) high in fat and sugar is probably coconut, which is very nutritious.
Everything else is tasty, tasty over-processed crap.
I love bread, but I have no delusions of it being good for me.
Everything else is tasty, tasty over-processed crap.
I love bread, but I have no delusions of it being good for me.
Yeah, an authoritarian state attempting to force its own values on the public by manipulating the market and reducing consumer choice is nothing to be bothered about.
Authoritarian forcing = 9p tax on a bottle of coke.
I don't know how we cope under this brutal regime
It’s all ***** and giggles now but wait until the bottle of coke costs £14.99.
I can’t wait for the classification of sugar like units of alcohol and a minimum per gram charge.