Girls banned from Wearing Skirts in 40 schools who instead adopt Gender Neutral uniforms

Really? Excactly how many trans women do you think are out there? How many .of them are, or want to be athletes? How many of them would be good enough to compete? Do you think that a trans women would automatically be better at sport than a "normal" woman just because... what? They had a penis at one point? They might have a slightly different hormone mix? They might, if they aren't taking hormone therapy, find it a bit easier to put on muscle mass?

I don't think you understand how much of a competitive advantage that "slightly different mix of hormones" is. Basically though natural Female athletes may as well not even bother turning up because they would stand zero chance of beating someone who has that advantage in something like running, it's not a close thing that can be overcome, they can not win and it makes the entire category a joke.
 
I don't think you understand how much of a competitive advantage that "slightly different mix of hormones" is. Basically though natural Female athletes may as well not even bother turning up because they would stand zero chance of beating someone who has that advantage in something like running, it's not a close thing that can be overcome, they can not win and it makes the entire category a joke.


You say that but the trans weight lifter lost to genetic women
 
No, consulted means *asked*, it means that the parents weren't asked their opinion on the matter before the school changed the policy. It doesn't mean the parents weren't informed.
Here, maybe this will help: http://www.dictionary.com/

Did you even read the quote?

I'll post it again:

Diane Burdaky, whose daughter Annabelle is in Year 8, claims parents were never consulted about the changes.

'There was no letter or email. No word or consultation from the school at all.
I looked on the website and there was a notice saying all new students from September will have to wear trousers and then the rest of the school will follow in September 2019.


It says no word OR consultation.

They only became "informed" after they went to the school website and stumbled upon the piece of information. You think I think they haven't still been informed lol?

But what has semantics got to do with the point here?
 
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I don't think you understand how much of a competitive advantage that "slightly different mix of hormones" is. Basically though natural Female athletes may as well not even bother turning up because they would stand zero chance of beating someone who has that advantage in something like running, it's not a close thing that can be overcome, they can not win and it makes the entire category a joke.

That's assuming that the trans person is capable of beating a female professional athlete in the first place. Basically this is only going to become an issue in two sets of circumstances:

1) A professional male athlete chooses to transition.
2) A young person chooses to transition and then dedicates themselves to becoming a pro athlete and manages to make it (long shot).

To be clear I don't really have a stance on this as I'm split down the middle but it's still worth noting that instances where it's truly a problem are likely to be limited.
 
You are right but given at the moment you only have to declare yourself a women and it cant be questioned, you might soon find all those not quite top 10 male athletes thinking about declaring themselves women to win a medal. Sounds ridiculous but I wonder how long before someone does it - even just to prove a point
OK, but there is quite a significant difference between one or two people trying it on, and enough people doing it to utterly wipe out the entire field of women's sports.
 
You say that but the trans weight lifter lost to genetic women

What's with the non-sequitur arguments? That's the second one from you which I've noticed.

The fact is a real woman can be stronger than a real man. Another fact is that some real men are not as strong as other real men.

The fact that a male woman was weaker than a female woman in one event is completely and utterly meaningless. If a weak skinny man decides to become a woman doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be the strongest out of some females just because she was previously a man. The point is that it can be used as an unfair advantage.
 
OK, but there is quite a significant difference between one or two people trying it on, and enough people doing it to utterly wipe out the entire field of women's sports.

True but then if you think about it, it wouldnt take many to cover the major sports to make it a problem e.g a couple of good sprinters and long distance, same for swimming etc etc.
 
The way this thread has gone off on a tangent and has become a rant about trans people is pretty telling of why some GD members are so outraged at a non issue.

A school has decided to change uniform policy and tbh the policy isn't unreasonable either. The only reason why there is outrage is because of the mention of gender.
 
It is sad that so many dudes take such offence with this non-issue. Why is it so important that schoolgirls be allowed to wear skirts?
Wait a minute. Why is it so important to you that schoolgirls must wear trousers?

You're the one on the side of "MUST WEAR TROUSERS" everyone else is just saying people should be "allowed to wear skirts", so you're the one who needs to provide a rationale here.

I mean your earlier post proves that you are not thinking rationally.

Care to detail why you think it is that boys should wear trousers and girls should wear skirts?

I'm not the one saying anyone should wear anything. It's YOU who's saying/agreeing that girls must wear trousers but you're trying to twist it round using very low level psychological defence mechanisms.
 
40 out of 24,000 schools and suddenly the country is going to fall apart? I would worry a little less about what schoolgirls are wearing tbh...

Umm... You do realise that sharia law isn't just going to be imposed overnight? You're not going to wake up one day with all women wearing full sharia veils. It's going to be done slowly. 40 schools at a time and one garment at a time. If we don't resist this crap at the first hint, we don't stand a chance.
 
The way this thread has gone off on a tangent and has become a rant about trans people is pretty telling of why some GD members are so outraged at a non issue.

A school has decided to change uniform policy and tbh the policy isn't unreasonable either. The only reason why there is outrage is because of the mention of gender.

It's classical Conservative vs Liberal viewpoints. No one is ranting about trans people, stop trying to turn a debate into personal attacks when it's nothing of the sort.
 
It's classical Conservative vs Liberal viewpoints. No one is ranting about trans people, stop trying to turn a debate into personal attacks when it's nothing of the sort.

So there wasn't an unrelated rant about trans athletes in a thread that has nothing to do with trans athletes?

If you want to debate, debate the topic.
 
You're the one on the side of "MUST WEAR TROUSERS" everyone else is just saying people should be "allowed to wear skirts",
No, we're on the side of "It's up to the school to set uniform policy, and it's no big deal if they decide everyone should wear trousers". Nobody here, not one single post, has suggested, at any point, that all schools should ban skirts. Or even that more schools should ban skirts. Or even that any one particular school should ban skirts. Nobody.
 
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