I never said it was simple, but from what I seen, it's seems the best solution.
That illustration is hugely deceptive.
Thai cave rescue - One of the divers has died
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That illustration is hugely deceptive.
They won’t be in the likelihood something goes wrong and the kid starts panicking, all 3 of them could die if something gets tangled or they start freaking out.
Who needs experts when you have the internet?
We just need our resident psychology/sociology/law/criminal justice/everything else expert to provide his expert opinion on the mental impact of this event on those involved and we'll be all sorted.
You’ll have to wait till Love Island finishes.
No need for psychology if they just "get a grip".
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Not sure what you trying to suggest.
Let's be realistic here, that's how it's going to work out isn't it. There is already guide ropes, that's standard underwater cave practice, the kids will be tethered to the drivers, there is going to be a navy driver front and behind the kids, that seems the logical way of doing this.
These are highly trained professionals who do this for a job and a living, they not going to panic or freak out, the kid otherwise, who knows, but that's why they got professionals with them.
They certainly are, but leading out an inexperienced diver through a dark and murky cave with narrow passages will take someone with massive balls
Everyone can panic, being an experienced pro will reduce that risk but even the best can succumb to it when their life is in danger
In reality, unless some absolute miracles of pumping, thy are going to be descending much deeper water in parts and some places with zero or very little clearance around them where they will likely be pulling themselves through, at times with some contortion needed and a chance of getting stuck possibly blocking out any light while doing so - not swimming with 3 feet of clearance like that image suggests - and that is what makes it dangerous.
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I don't think anyone is taking that image as 100% fact, who does? It's just a example showing how it's gonna be, that said, looking at more pictures of the tunnels, there are wide parts, small parts, tight parts, some parts where you have to walk and crawl.
But the kids will have the advantage at moving around since they are smaller which is something the rescue drivers have pointed out themselves.
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I never said it was simple, but from what I seen, it's seems the best solution.
And they seem to agree, the rescue drivers are teaching them right now.
Funny how that image contains everything i suggested a few pages back.
I would add the following.
1. lights.
2. spare cylinders strategicaly placed at the entrance and exit of the section and along the route under the water.
3. additional divers on standby at the entrance and exit of the section.
Yes we know some sections are tight but the whole route isnt like that. get them through those sections then rest and regroup.
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This is just going to end horribly isn't it. I can't think of a more nightmarish scenario. I think they'll be a huge loss of life if they try diving them out. The panic will just be to much I think and would only be worse when the almost eventual deaths occur. If it was me I'd probably rather they pass me a gun than an air tank.
Maybe they can try getting the strongest swimmers and most physically able out first. Will slow the rate of oxygen depletion in the cave and buy them some extra time I suppose. Will give them an indication of how plausabe it is for the others.
Maybe they can try getting the strongest swimmers and most physically able out first. Will slow the rate of oxygen depletion in the cave and buy them some extra time I suppose. Will give them an indication of how plausabe it is for the others.
I feel that there are no good or safe options here, but I really think that I agree with the professionals and that the option of diving the kids out is the most dangerous and shouldn’t be attempted unless absolutely necessary.
The trip back is apparently 6hours against the current. The kid will be a wreck. I can’t remember the last time I even walked anywhere solidly for 6hours. Its up there with one of the most terrifying things that someone can do.
Panic is the major risk factor and simply cannot be controlled for with these kids, unless maybe you give them a big dose of benzos before the trip.
I hope they get out alive, all of them, but it’s pathetic to see this “why don’t they just do such and such” pub bore attitude from the armchair COBRA brigade.
The trip back is apparently 6hours against the current. The kid will be a wreck. I can’t remember the last time I even walked anywhere solidly for 6hours. Its up there with one of the most terrifying things that someone can do.
Panic is the major risk factor and simply cannot be controlled for with these kids, unless maybe you give them a big dose of benzos before the trip.
I hope they get out alive, all of them, but it’s pathetic to see this “why don’t they just do such and such” pub bore attitude from the armchair COBRA brigade.
I started typing a serious post but then thought better of it so silliness it is.
1) Drill, I hear Harry Stamper never misses a depth.
2) Fly in Gary Glitter. He spent a lot of time in Thailand and never had issues getting to young kids quickly.
Serious note i do hope they get them out alive as this whole scenario is an utter mind **** to deal with the risks and issues
1) Drill, I hear Harry Stamper never misses a depth.
2) Fly in Gary Glitter. He spent a lot of time in Thailand and never had issues getting to young kids quickly.
Serious note i do hope they get them out alive as this whole scenario is an utter mind **** to deal with the risks and issues
Gotta admit I didn't click on the article before writing that comment and assumed it was an experienced cave diver. Then again I don't think any diver would be comfortable with having used half their air getting there, even on a regular dive you plan to have some left in reserve let alone diving in a cave (I've never done a cave dive myself, I've dived in some wrecks and that's enough in terms of enclosed spaces for me but I think even if I were to attempt an easy/short cave dive in say a massive cave I'd want plenty in reserve). I guess if they're under a lot of pressure and they're not all cave divers then mistakes can sadly happen.
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Cave diving as far as I'm aware is a really risky business.
Really nasty way to go out.... running out of oxygen. RIP.
Really nasty way to go out.... running out of oxygen. RIP.
That's a really simplified idiot's guide to it.
Some of the sections appear to be no wider than an airline seat, think about that for a moment, trying to get through a section that might be several meters long and basically as tight as an airline seat with no visibility and whilst trying to move an airtank with you.
Being serious again for a moment, I wonder if they can use some kind of ground penetrating radar from within the flooded chambers to scan the rock underneath for neighboring tunnels/fissures etc that may not be flooded. Then they may be able to drill into those areas to drain the water away.
I’ve dived through the carcass of a small jet at capernwray quarry , that was reasonable wide but it was cold ,dark and murky and even with my albeit limited experience my heart was pounding
It makes me shudder thinking of diving through a narrow passage in a cave with no escape route
I believe that's what SpaceX and Boring Co. are planning on doing once they arrive.