Nothing to do with sexual or romantic attraction is a choice, in my opinion.
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That's absolutely fine and I agree, hence in my 1st post I stated that 'You cannot help who you are attracted to'.
What I was alluding to was that people are happy to say 'Homosexuals don't have a choice' but then 'What makes a paedophile want to have sex with kids' which in my opinion is as if stating paedophiles have a choice to fancy kids.
What I will also say is you cannot help who you are attracted to but you sure as hell can help how you act on those attractions.
No worries, wasn't wanting to derail the thread just thinking out loud tis all.AgreedBut lets not turn this into a discussion on paedophiles please
Why even mention us?
Unless you think heterosexuality is a choice?
Did you choose to be straight?
Why bring up paedophilia in the context of homosexuality when you have heterosexuality right there with the same relevant criteria?
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You do rather seem to have missed Maundie's point.
Just to clear it up for you, he suggested that many things are not actually a "choice" including Heterosexuality (to keep you happy), Homosexuality and Paedophilia.
And there was me thinking it was a silly kids film...
Funny not silly and also it was hardly a kids film at the the time. Was a PG rating and now a 12 I am sure.
Pretty disgusted to hear my old home town could be like that, it does make you feel ashamed of people when they can make others feel uncomfortable in their surroundings.
You'd probably find half of these people would be preaching for no bullying etc, yet not realising that making any form of homophobic remarks is just as bad.
I know Swindon like the back of my hand, it's essentially my second home. This was a less than desirable area I'm not going to mention
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It's Prime with an M 
At the Glasgow Parade the Mormons and some other religious nutters kept trying to hand out leaflets and preach. Also a couple of crazy folk along the way and we actually had to say to a Police officer who escorted one gentleman away.
Many ideologies are based on being proud of having the "right" biological group identity. It's sadly common and always has been. Which biological group identity or identities it's socially acceptable to consider "right" varies from time to time and place to place, but that's just fashion. The ideology is the same - belief in biological group identity and belief in some degree of hierarchy of those identities. Obviously pride requires a belief of superiority, so believers of pride ideologies (whatever the basis for the group identities, be it biological, political or anything else) must believe that their favoured group identity is superior. If they didn't, they wouldn't see it as something to be proud of.
Of course followers of any particular strain of that ideology will usually claim (and possibly even believe) that other strains of the same ideology are completely different. For example, it's rather unlikely that a believer in white pride and a believer in black pride would recognise that they're followers of the same ideology. They would almost certainly hate each other and claim (and possibly even believe) that the same ideology is completely different.
Don't get hung up on the word pride as if people are proud of being gay.
It's more just a name in relation to years of being told they should be ashamed of themselves, that they're dirty, freaks, abominations, scum, they should kill themselves or be castrated and much much worse.
I mean you've seen the differnce in this thread of a straight person saying theyd laugh off somone making a comment about them holding thier gfs hand and the gay guy having to not hold his bfs hand due to potenial violence (does anyone ever even made such a comment about a bf and gf?)
Just try and put yourself in that position where you've been told or hears your friends who dont know etc say how its gross its wrong and all sorts of things, would you really not like jistvone day where you could go out and no worry because for once you're not the minority you're majority?
That might be a factor in being proud of having the "right" biological group identity, but it doesn't make it any better to do so. It's like being racist because someone of that "race" mugged you - it's an excuse, not a justification.
And yes, it is about pride. Hence the name. If it was about something completely different, it would be called something completely different. Unless everyone involved is somehow unable to understand anything other than shame or pride and really think those are the only two options. Which is unlikely to be the case - delusion isn't that common. Are you ashamed or proud of having eyebrows? Ears? If there's anything that you are neither ashamed nor proud of, then you understand that those are not the only two options and you shouldn't be claiming that they are. Pride is pride. It's not not-shame.
I'll pick another minority for an example. People who are left-handed. Do you think they should be proud or ashamed of being left-handed? Or do you think they should be neither? Or how about people who have relatively pale skin, people who would commonly (and doubly inaccurately) be called "white". Should they be proud of being "white"? Hold white pride parades? Or should they be ashamed of being "white"? Or should they be neither?
i get the responses, but at times it feels like they're trying reverse persecution - you should be proud to be gay, therefore you shouldn't be proud to be straight because you're not gay.
like i say though, i just don't get the use of the word in this situation.
like i say though, i just don't get the use of the word in this situation.
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