Boris and the burka

[Usher]

I agree with Boris, many women are forced to wear this ridiculous garb, it stems from the medieval Islamic tradition of Purdah, excluding women from public observation and treating women as a possession who must obey their owner or be beaten.
As for the less demeaning method of just covering their hair you can look at old photo's of Islamic streets and see all the men have their heads covered also.
From that we can presume that modern day men don't want the hassle and discomfort of a turban but still insist on their women covering up.

 

[D.P.]

I'm not sure there is anything childish about them, flippant sure. But he makes flippant comments about all sorts of things as do various MPs, why does this item of clothing deserve to be special?

Describing people as letterboxes is very childish.

No one said there is anything special about the clothing.

 

[D.P.]

Personally, I think some of the comments made have been very valid.

Diversity should extend to free speech and opinion.. Why cant people have an opinion and a voice today? It does not mean that person is right or wrong.It is just an opinion.. nothing more.

Those that are so easily offended seem to be looking for a reason to cause just as much trouble as those they are accusing.. life is too short .. get over it.

No one is saying people can't have an opinion, or Boris can;t express his opinion. Most people opn the left agree with basic arguments of Boris' opinion, i certainly do.

The problem is the immature and insensitive presentation of said opinion as a joke without a well reasoned and thoughtful response.
This does far more harm to the cause. An intelligent debate is possible about whther Burkas should be banned to help oppressed women or whether that infringes on women's religious rights and freedoms. But if you just resort to childish jokes then no debate can take place and you just give the religious zelots far more tools to further their agenda and you completely weaken the oposing sides reputation.

 

[D.P.]

Why are some people so offended by this? Denmark, Austria, France and Belgium have outright banned them.
They are abhorrent tools of control and have zero place in 2018.

Go back and read the thread properly this time. No one is offended by the opinion of Boris.

 

[Greebo]

No one is saying people can't have an opinion, or Boris can;t express his opinion. Most people opn the left agree with basic arguments of Boris' opinion, i certainly do.

The problem is the immature and insensitive presentation of said opinion as a joke without a well reasoned and thoughtful response.
This does far more harm to the cause. An intelligent debate is possible about whther Burkas should be banned to help oppressed women or whether that infringes on women's religious rights and freedoms. But if you just resort to childish jokes then no debate can take place and you just give the religious zelots far more tools to further their agenda and you completely weaken the oposing sides reputation.

This in a nutshell. By Boris doing what he did and refusing to apologize about it, it makes it harder to have the debate on the actual subject

 

[chroniclard]

Expect the same level of support when Corbyn comes out saying the yarmulke makes people look like nob ends.

 

[VincentHanna]

Expect the same level of support when Corbyn comes out saying the yarmulke makes people look like nob ends.

DISGUSTING LABOUR ANTI-SEMETISM!!!

 

[KillBoY_UK]

Please post where it is.

Funny how the_chicco is very quiet now.

 

[glenimp617]

Does anyone know when religion will come to an end? 200 years, 500 years?

Not by political force, but just by the population moving on

 

[Greebo]

Never

 

[Rifte]

Does anyone know when religion will come to an end? 200 years, 500 years?

Not by political force, but just by the population moving on

Personally I can never see this happening.

Science and logic spits in the face of any credibility that any religion may claim to have, but this doesn't seem to deter its followers or ask them to question it.

 

[iamtheoneneo]

Go back and read the thread properly this time. No one is offended by the opinion of Boris.

wow Mr grumpy.

 

[VincentHanna]

It's not grumpy is it? It's calling out incorrect statements.

 

[D.P.]

wow Mr grumpy.

As Vincent said, you statement was simpler false and I corrected it.

 

[wolfie138]

The Qu'ran reads like a badly translated manual and contradicts itself all over the place. I'm not surprised people interpret it a million different ways. It's as if people kept adding their own stuff to it over the centuries, but didn't check previous content.

(Yes I have read a fair chunk of it).

sounds like the bible.

 

[Skunkworks]

I used to be against banning it, but I’ve changed my mind.

The burka is a sign of someone who takes Islam too seriously, and people that take Islam too seriously are racking up a bodycount, or providing cover for those that are. UK leaders have been niave at best and downright irresponsible at worst with their mass, unscrutinised, importation of Islam, and now it needs reining in before it provokes civil unrest.

The West should have been a haven for liberal Muslims while the rest were left to jihad each other into extinction in the ME. We need to be less tolerant of the intolerant, and make the UK an uncomfortable place for anyone that takes Islam too seriously. If banning the burka makes fundies less likely to come here, or fundies that are already here more likely to leave, that’s a good thing. Other measures such as banning foreign funding, banning Salafism/Wahabism, strict licensing and monitoring of mosques, and no more free NHS treatment for birth defects as a result of consanguineous marriages.

Any Muslim who feels the UK is no longer for them due to these measures can receive government advice and even limited, means tested financial assistance with them emigrating and renouncing their UK citizenship.

 

[inogen]

Like I pointed out already I was putting forth my own argument, I was not responding to an opponent's argument/attempting to misrepresent an argument put forth by others. It isn't a straw man. You seemingly don't even understand the definition right in front of you.

That just shows that no only do you not understand what a strawman is, but you don't even understand context. The forum (and the universe) doesn't revolve around you and what you think. You weren't putting forth anything. The thread is about Boris Johnson and his nonsense. Not about you. So therefore you're countering an argument (that Boris is being a **** about muslims) with your strawman builder ********. It's a stonewall strawman. In hi-vis.

I don't want to discuss this any further. It's like arguing with a child who doesn't listen and makes up their own definitions of words. And that's not an "ad hominem" btw before you start with your other favourite. Just a passive observation.

 

[aardvark]

It certainly does. But you will find that with most religious texts. And interpretation leads to stupidity.

yeah, like the burka

 

[VincentHanna]

strict licensing and monitoring of mosques, and no more free NHS treatment for birth defects as a result of consanguineous marriages.

Any Muslim who feels the UK is no longer for them due to these measures can receive government advice and even limited, means tested financial assistance with them emigrating and renouncing their UK citizenship.

I do not want to live in that sort of country.

 

[Skunkworks]

Doing nothing will be far, far worse. Such a situation should never have been allowed to arise, but hey, thanks Tony Blair!