Boris and the burka
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Criticising burkas or Islam isn't racist at all. People go over the top with this nonsense. Even criticising blacks or muslims isn't racist. It is just a criticism. Making jokes as well - not racist. Insensitive, unethical maybe for many but not racist.It's funny how some groups say that criticising burkas is not racist because it's not actually criticising Islam, yet at the same time also conflate burkas and Islam, as Skunkworks did just above.
It's funny how some groups say that criticising burkas is not racist because it's not actually criticising Islam, yet at the same time also conflate burkas and Islam, as Skunkworks did just above.
criticising the more extreme side of any particular religion is not racist, its something anybody interested in freedom and common decency should be constantly doing.
I don't see why we seem to be moving towards a situation where people will tolerate any form of abusive controlling behaviour simply because they don't want to offend the abusers.
The group within islam that enforce the burka etc used to be very small as little as 50 years ago but the rise of whabbism/salafism has seen it increase steadily - this is not a good thing. Its very purpose is to subjugate women and make them second class citizens by controlling them and putting them 'in their place' because of an extreme interpretation of the koran from the 15th century. This behaviour should be questioned and not appeased.
Absolutely. It's hard to understand with all this human's rights and women's rights etc. stance of the West that we are tolerating burkas and veils here at all. It is in sharp contradiction. Also, anybody claiming that wearing those has nothing to do with islam is just deluded. It is all about islam.
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Depends what your criticism is based on I guess...
If it's genuinely critical thinking it's fine, If you criticise them based on racial stereotypes or perceived racial traits, then it's racist.
This sounds racist to me:
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On the other hand, any criticism of Israel is claimed to be racist and warrants lynching - funny old (inconsistent) world . . .
Islam isn't a race, but Islamophobia is, unless you ignore academic experts and use your own definition for your own agenda.
Islamophobia is a race? What?
Although some academic scholars have classed Islamophobia as racism. This is a not definitive. In its purest form, Islamophobia is just that; a fear or dislike towards Islam or the followers of Islam.
Just to be 100% clear, what is the definition of Islamophobia that these experts have come up with?
Israel is a country and not a religion?
Anyway the butt of jokes for all regions is far cop to me.
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How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Who cares?
What Bonker Boris wrote, quite deliberately, was likely to (may have been designed to) increase racial tension and encourage racism - that is wholly inappropriate and would for most people be likely to attract the attention of the law.
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Islamophobia is a race, Isreal is a race, whatever next?
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Again no, this is totally incorrect. In only yesterday's Daily Express, a paper some consider right leaning, we have an article on how Ofsted have blasted an ultra orthodox Jewish young ladies school in London. There are marked similarities to the Burka hoohaa.
A super-strict, ultra-Orthodox school has fallen foul of regulators because they do not allow girls in who have TVs or the Internet at home. It can also bar applicants whose mothers wear sheitels, wigs that cover their hair, that are too long - by just an inch.
PUBLISHED: 14:50, Thu, Aug 9, 2018 | UPDATED: 14:50, Thu, Aug 9, 2018
Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls School, Stamford Hill, north east London (Image: Google )
Now Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls School, Stamford Hill, north east London, has been ordered to change the wording of its admissions code.
Its rules state that parents refrain from trends that go against the "spirit of modesty and holiness."
These include daughters' dresses and skirts not being shorter than 4 inches below the knees – as they must "remain covered at all times".
Very long skirts are also forbidden – along with those that are straight, figure hugging or slit.
The school says: "The wearing of flashy or very brightly coloured clothing is forbidden.
"Blouses, jumpers or dresses must fit closely to the neck. Sleeves must cover the elbows at all times. Make up should be discreet."
Casual garments and footwear, denim or other clothing made from similarly “trendy” fabrics such as leather and lycra, are related to the "casual free way of life of the street culture" and are also not allowed.
The strict guidelines add: "The television is absolutely forbidden. Access to the internet is forbidden. Likewise, other unsuitable home entertainment is strictly not allowed.
The television is absolutely forbidden. Access to the internet is forbidden (Image: GETTY)
"Sheitels that fall below the base of the neck or do not conform in any other way to the halochos, Jewish religious law, are forbidden to be worn."
In a written judgement the Schools Adjudicator partially upheld objections from an unnamed individual backed by the London Borough of Hackney.
It ordered the school to remove any reference to "very long skirts", the word "flashy" in respect of the colours of clothing and the replacement of "discreet" in respect of make up with "conservative".
It also asked the voluntary aided school to confirm "trendy" fabrics "means leather and lycra", rather than these being examples.
The school was also told to give an explanation that "unsuitable" home entertainment means "any entertainment accessed online via any computerised device."
Casual garments and footwear, denim or other “trendy” fabrics are not allowed (Image: GETTY)
Charedi homes do not have TV or other inappropriate media, and parents will ensure that their children will not have access to the internet and any other media which do not meet the stringent moral criteria of the Charedi community.
The school admission arrangements
The admission arrangements state: "Charedi homes do not have TV or other inappropriate media, and parents will ensure that their children will not have access to the internet and any other media which do not meet the stringent moral criteria of the Charedi community.
"Mothers and girls will dress at all times in accordance with the strictest standards of Tznius (modesty) as laid down by the Rabbinate of the Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregations.
"Fathers, where applicable, overall mode of dress style and colour will be in accordance with the Chareidi ethos of the school; must belong to a Chareidi synagogue and attend daily prayers as well as all prayers on Shabbos and Yom Tov.
"Likewise attend synagogue appropriately dressed i.e. jacket and hat. Set times for daily Torah study sessions are an essential part of a chareidi family environment."
The school was established by the Orthodox Charedi Jewish community and opened in 2005 for 450 girls aged 11 to 16.
But it has been under subscribed for several years. It currently has 305 pupils, and there are plans to extend it next year to take in five, six and seven year olds.
The judgement was made under the School Standards and Framework Act 1998 and the revised admission arrangements must come into force within two months.
Other parties to the objection were the governing body of the school and the Rabbinate of the Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregations (UOHC), which is the school's religious authority.
The Schools Adjudicator also took account information received during a July meeting at the school attended by representatives of the governing body, the local authority and the religious authority.
In order to remain unknown to the school, the objector did not attend.
Tony Blair attended the opening of the state school that has since been rated "Inadequate" by Ofsted for its highly restrictive education.
Members of the Charedi community aim to lead modest lives governed by the codes of Torah observance.
In 2008 it emerged nine pupils had refused to sit a Shakespeare test on The Merchant of Venice because they felt the character of Shylock was anti-Semitic.
There have also been recurring controversies at the school due to failures to teach sex education, the theory of evolution or various aspects of British history.
I'm sorry but no you don't like & retweet something by mistake.
no coincidence at all it came just days after he met with Steve Bannon.
yeah, because the people most vocal about banning the burqa or niqab are only concerned about women's empowerment...
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Why can you not make jokes about religion in a secular country? I thought that was the type of freedom secularity granted.
Yeah and the Monty Python film "the life of Brian" involved the mocking of Christian beliefs... therefore "racism".
And Stuart Lee's "Jerry Springer the Opera", that did too... clearly super "racist" towards Christians.
And the whole commercialisation of Christmas, ignoring the Christian story in favour of rampant consumerism... clearly that's cultural appropriation and therefore "racist" towards Christians.