Boris and the burka
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That's me told!
"Imam Taj Hargey, from the Oxford Islamic Congregation said the Tory MP has nothing to apologise for and 'did not go far enough' in his remarks.
He said the ex minister had reminded the country that the face mask 'has no Koranic legitimacy' but is 'a nefarious component of a trendy gateway theology for religious extremism and militant Islam'.
He added: 'The burqa and niqab are hideous tribal ninja-like garments that are pre-Islamic, non-Koranic and therefore un-Muslim.'
He said that some backward-looking elements in the Muslim community have managed to persuade many in British society that it is in the Islamic faith for women to cover their faces.
He said: 'Johnson did not go far enough. If Britain is to become a fully integrated society then it is incumbent that cultural practices, personal preferences and communal customs that aggravate social division should be firmly resisted."
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I think he played a blinder. The amount of people who genuinely think Boris wants to ban the Burka amazes me. They haven't read his article and assume all the fuss is over him wanting to ban it. Some guy even said to me on a discussion group last night "The ********** don't read the whole thing, only the parts that offend them. I'm with Boris"In my experience, Islamophobes are usually bigots, yes. Some even claim to be experts of the Koran.
Anyway, before we get lost in semantic twaddle, I wonder what's next for the Tories and Boris.
Will his dog whistle garner enough support from the racist members of the party for him to threaten Theresa's leadership?
If not, will he feel there's enough support from the Little Englanders to break out on his own and form his own alternative right-wing party, or perhaps lead UKIP 2.0?
Interesting times.
So I pointed out to him Boris article was all about how we shouldn't ban the Burka and I was told I was fake news etc.
So by writing an article about why we shouldn't ban the Burka and slipping in to derogative remarks Boris has somehow become the champion of the common man who think he wants the opposite.
Amazing. Hats off to him. Best swap around since Marc Antony
That's dog whistling for you. Say one thing, mean another. He knows what he's doing, and it's working (this thread is evidence of that!).
Do you not think it's OK for religion to be mocked?
The whole thing is ridiculous, religion should be something you keep to yourself, regardless of what other peoples beliefs are.
Making derogative comments about an item that may or may not be attributed to a religion is wholly irrelevant, and is really no different than me saying i don't like the shoes you wear, or the car you drive.
Saying someone looks like a letterbox is not exactly offensive, i'm sure everyone on here has been called much worse.
Rowan Atkinsons comments summed it up perfectly.
None of your business.
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I think people who are prepared to argue about religion should be prepared to reveal their own religion. Bias has to be taken into consideration.
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Agnostic atheist.
I knew that was going to be Yadda's reply. On avarage i've noticed a lot of Musliums in the last few days supporting a ban while it's the white knights who are usually white middle-class types who jump up and down yelling about racism. It'll be interesting if he's one of those types
Atheist, and in general I despise religion.
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So you're a racist?
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I’m officially CofE but I only ever go in a church for weddings and funerals, and I watch midnight mass on Xmas eve, so I hardly qualify for pilgrim of the year.
So you're trying to make this about me. I knew this was coming, but so soon?
Smells of desperation.
Ok guys, since it's so important to you. My religion is...
...Maris Otter (orthodox).
Nope.
As has been repeatedly said by those on the left and right, you can criticize religion without being racist.
But if you criticise Islam you're probably racist and will be treated as such. Incidentally the same applies to voting for Brexit.
No, not at all.
You are a racist is your islamophobia means you negatively generalize or discriminate against Muslims.
Critique of Islam is perfectly fine, always has been. Calling someone a letterbox is not a valid critique of Islam.
Atheist. However, I'm not arguing for, against or about religion; that road is far too exhausting and insolvable.
Buffoon Boris' comments aside, I was more interested with the discussion around the validity or change of use of certain phrases or words versus which were previously agreed or universally understood.
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Well the Niqab has nothing to do with Islam seemingly as it's not prescribed in the text, so why is criticism of that item of clothing a criticism of Islam? If that item of clothing is some how related to Islam, then I'd suggest Islam is oppressive to women by having them cover their faces up, or at best encouraging them to do so.