Boris and the burka

aardvark said:
thats debatable.
I thinks its perfectly reasonable to be fearful of any religion becoming too extreme - history is soaked with the blood of innocents killed in the name of various religions (and not many from spiders)
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Yea but that doesnt happen anymore though...... does it?.....
 
D.P. said:
No, not at all.

You are a racist is your islamophobia means you negatively generalize or discriminate against Muslims.
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That isn't racist, but it is bigoted. But what you've described is the only way you can be islamophobic. And Johnson's comments were in no way generalising or discriminating against Muslims as a whole. In no way whatsoever.

D.P. said:
Critique of Islam is perfectly fine, always has been. Calling someone a letterbox is not a valid critique of Islam.
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What if a muslim decided their interpretation of modesty was to dress up in a giant penis costume. Would it be OK to take the mick out of that? This is the inherent problem with people trying to determine what is and isn't valid critique of religion, religious followers make their own (sometimes ludicrous) intepretations.

And anyway, Boris wasn't trying to make a critique of Islam. He was making a joke about some people's (in his eyes and the majority of this country's eyes) ridiculous - and perhaps even oppressive - interpretation.
 
Yas786 said:
I’ve asked this before to some other poster but he ran off, show me where in the Quran it says a woman must wear a burka??
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I won't show you as I am not into books that were written thousand years ago by an unknown people claiming some kind of god was dictating them to write it down. Then those books were re-written by yet another unknown people a couple of times to fit their purpose of brainwashing and control using fear. So no, I won't show you where in Quran it says a woman must wear a burka as I am never going to be even close to touching that book. I know however that burkas are worn by muslim women and muslim equals islamic therefore I wrote that wearing burkas is all about islam.
 
D.P. said:
Nope.


As has been repeatedly said by those on the left and right, you can criticize religion without being racist.
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However you've repeatedly argued that the definition of race has changed from broad groups based on visible physical characteristics to groups of shared cultural identity and shared believes and practices.


Like a religion say.....
 
So according to DPs experts he would be a racist... But according to DP he is not...

DP said in one of the threads either this or TR something along the lines of "I would rather believe academics/experts over you" [unless of course its him].

That's the funniest own goal I've seen in a long time.
 
maltrabob said:
I won't show you as I am not into books that were written thousand years ago by an unknown people claiming some kind of god was dictating them to write it down. Then those books were re-written by yet another unknown people a couple of times to fit their purpose of brainwashing and control using fear. So no, I won't show you where in Quran it says a woman must wear a burka as I am never going to be even close to touching that book. I know however that burkas are worn by muslim women and muslim equals islamic therefore I wrote that wearing burkas is all about islam.
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It isn't in the Koran, it only really mentions covering the cleavage so even the hijab is unncessary. Burkas are only worn by a very few muslim women. It is very much a symbol of oppression and has no place in a liberal democracy.
 
@Yas786 sorry bud but do t think you're going to get a quotation or reference to any passages any time soon.
It's almost like people don't know what they're talking about and are just so desperate to be offended that they'll make things up.
 
RDM said:
It isn't in the Koran, it only really mentions covering the cleavage so even the hijab is unncessary. Burkas are only worn by a very few muslim women. It is very much a symbol of oppression and has no place in a liberal democracy.
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This. While the Koran only mentions dressing modestly the preveiling (intended) culture has aligned that dress with Islamic (in a not literary connected sense).

My view is partly live and let live but on this topic I deviate under another principle related to assimilation and oppression.

To those saying he is wrong, you are aware the vast majority of people are opposed to it being worn.
 
The Christian Bible doesn't say that Christians must wear a crucifix.

Therefore, would banning the wearing of a cross/crucifix not be seen as discriminatory against Christians?
 
Yadda said:
The Christian Bible doesn't say that Christians must wear a crucifix.

Therefore, would banning the wearing of a cross/crucifix not be seen as discriminatory against Christians?
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It already is in certain job roles. But it is not seen as discriminatory.
 
Yadda said:
The Christian Bible doesn't say that Christians must wear a crucifix.

Therefore, would banning the wearing of a cross/crucifix not be seen as discriminatory against Christians?
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The crucifix is a worldwide recognised symbol of Christianity, the burka is not a symbol of Islam.
 
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