While ot isn’t in the Koran and it isn’t a requirement of mainstream Islam I would disagree that it has nothing to do with Islam. It is a particular interpretation of Islam that sees this as a requirement of their faith.
Boris and the burka
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While ot isn’t in the Koran and it isn’t a requirement of mainstream Islam I would disagree that it has nothing to do with Islam. It is a particular interpretation of Islam that sees this as a requirement of their faith.
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No, sorry I cannot agree. There is no way the burka is a religious symbol like the cross.
If it’s a symbol of anything, it’s one of oppression.
There's no mention of wearing a cross in the Bible. Your interpretation is no clearer than that of the association between the burka and modesty.
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Fair enough, thank you for enlightening me.
Unless a biblical scholar can come along. I am familiar with that text though. I have NT on my list of reading at some point.
Although what denotes a symbol is subjective.
Nobody but that is besides the point.
Again, that is subjective but the point is an obvious one. In terms of importance its not up there with more important things but often standards and small statements can resonate. As this thread from one comment shows
You are not arguing from a position of good faith if you genuinely are proposing that a burqa is as much a symbol of Islam as the cross is of Christianity. All mentions of clothing and jewelry bans aside.
Its ok. I've heard and am familiar with the verse. The old testament (excluding maybe genesis and a couple of other remaining books) are very literal. The New Testament is more of a blend of the literal, metaphoric and allegorical.
Religion stirs our psyche and our souls...
"Bearing" not "wearing".
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Exactly my point.
I disagree. Many people argue that because the wearing of a burka is not mentioned in the Koran, it is somehow not relevant to their faith.
Sure, that highlights how ridiculous the whole argument is.
I'm not getting into religious symbol Top Trumps with you.
Mine too, incidentally.
With which religion is it synonymous? Symbolically it cannot get much short of a better way to show. There are more inconspicuous ways of keeping your faith.
It is. The storm in a tea cup is what I would call it. Who cares what Boris said? I don't, but I care about the macro position.
Ok, but I'm not sure of the relevance to my post?
Not a sheep following the crowd at all. Sheep are those who blindly follow ideas created for them by others without questioning those ideas - religion is a good example of that. I have my views based on observing, reading, questioning etc. what's going on around me. I may be wrong now and then but at least those ideas are mine. There are many others like me but that doesn't make us that crowd you were talking about. About that last sentence of yours - I do not know what's going on behind the closed doors of a muslim household but I have to question the reasons behind what would make a woman to voluntarily dress in a way that makes her look like a ... like a letterbox. I do not believe they do it because they like it, I just can't.
I think it's fine to mock religion, I just wasn't sure what point the other poster was trying to make when he quoted me and threw in a one line statement.
Of course the question is, if it is not Islamic as such. When and why was the Burka introduced?
Well, here's a thought I had yesterday while looking through some old Persian artworks.
The Women were all depicted as very pale skinned.
Now many people make the error of assuming that people like the Persians and Afghans are Arabs.
They are not, they are Aryan (The name Iran is derived from this). Persians/Iranians will actually take offense if they are referred to as Arabs
They can be quite pale skinned and frequently have blue eyes too (Even red hair sometimes). As commented in the thread elsewhere on Skin whitening. Many cultures value pale skins on Women. Perhaps the origin of the Burka was simply as a sunscreen and its more widespread use developed later:/
Well, here's a thought I had yesterday while looking through some old Persian artworks.
The Women were all depicted as very pale skinned.
Now many people make the error of assuming that people like the Persians and Afghans are Arabs.
They are not, they are Aryan (The name Iran is derived from this). Persians/Iranians will actually take offense if they are referred to as Arabs
They can be quite pale skinned and frequently have blue eyes too (Even red hair sometimes). As commented in the thread elsewhere on Skin whitening. Many cultures value pale skins on Women. Perhaps the origin of the Burka was simply as a sunscreen and its more widespread use developed later:/
Sensible post at last. Whether right or wrong.
Most clothing derives from environmental requirements, heat, cold, physical activities etc. This is why traditional male tropical dress, worn in the UK is often supplemented in winter by a Parka (derived from the Inuit).
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Unless you’re a Geordie, in which case it’s Bermuda shorts and miniskirts all year round.
I understand
this is my thoughts
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4485004/Gang-dressed-burkas-jailed-230-years.html
6 White British men and three folks with English names, damn what compelling evidence that someone from the middle-east who regards the said dress-ware as distinctly feminine and distinctly off limits as potential for criminal usage.
As said i don't like the clothing, but that's a poor attempt at saying they use them for crime... by using our own people. And yet... low and behold they were STILL arrested, i dont even.