Boris and the burka

These are interesting:

France is the only country in Europe to have passed a law that prohibits face-covering in public, be it via niqab, burka, balaclava or helmet. In 2009 President Nicolas Sarkozy, below, compared burkas to “walking coffins” and declared that they were an unwelcome violation of France’s secular values.

A law banning “conspicuous religious symbols” in schools (such as Islamic headscarves and turbans) had been passed in 2004. The ‘burka ban’ sparked protests in Karachi and condemnation from Amnesty International, although senior clerics at Egypt’s Al Azhar mosque, considered the foremost authority on Sunni theology, declared that the burka (a full body and face covering) and the niqab (a face covering where only the eyes are visible) had “no place in Islam”.
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Anybody that has made the holy pilgrimage to hajj knows that wearing the Burqa is strictly prohibited!

In fact in Muslim countries many businesses refuse entry if wearing a Burqa because it is widely known that men take advantage of wearing the Burqa and entering Hammam’s to pry on women or houses or weddings.
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So in muslim countries they are strict on burkas but here in stupid and degenerated Europe we can't even pass a law that would make wearing them offending to women and therefore banned. Unbelievable.
 
Tefal said:
However you've repeatedly argued that the definition of race has changed from broad groups based on visible physical characteristics to groups of shared cultural identity and shared believes and practices.


Like a religion say.....
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You won't get any sense out of d.p. On the subjects of religion (specifically Islam) and race.

I posed this question a while back in a different thread to them and there was no attempt at a serious reply

Caracus2k said:
If I, as a light skinned English man, physically attack a light skinned male who believes that mohammed was the last prophet of God. Who rode from Arabia to the levant on a winged horse because of that belief is that a subset of racism?
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They avoided actually answering the question and I clarified so it was crystal clear....


Caracus2k said:
I thought I was quite clear as to what my motivation was in this fictional example

'because of that belief'

So is that racism in your book? And if the answer is yes is it also racism if I attack a light skinned English person who believes the son of God was born of a virgin or if I attack someone for believing in Marxist theory for those reasons? And if not to these but yes to the first why?
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I suspect that this is because despite apparently being quite educated they don't have a coherent answer to give
 
maltrabob said:
I won't show you as I am not into books that were written thousand years ago by an unknown people claiming some kind of god was dictating them to write it down. Then those books were re-written by yet another unknown people a couple of times to fit their purpose of brainwashing and control using fear. So no, I won't show you where in Quran it says a woman must wear a burka as I am never going to be even close to touching that book. I know however that burkas are worn by muslim women and muslim equals islamic therefore I wrote that wearing burkas is all about islam.
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That’s fair enough. I didn’t ask you for your opinion of religions, whether it be Islam, Christianity or Judaism. So perhaps you want to knock that chip off your shoulder there. I asked you to show me where in the Quran does it say a woman must wear a burka, a simple point in which you failed to address due to you not being into books. But then that leads me to think you are just a sheep that follows the crowd, if you aren’t willing to expand your knowledge about something you do not know about.

Yes muslim women wear burkas, but it’s absolutely nothing to do with Islam. But if wearing such a garment makes you equate that this is something Islam pressures women into doing then you are wrong.
 
Yadda said:
Can you find it for me?
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Matthew:
Then Jebus told his bro's "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me"

This is likely more of a metaphor for someone to bear their suffering and struggles. Rather than a very literal text. This metaphor holds more likelihood/certainty given the following verses
 
RaohNS said:
Matthew:
Then Jebus told his bro's "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me"

This is likely more of a metaphor for someone to bear their suffering and struggles. Rather than a very literal text. This metaphor holds more likelihood/certainty given the following verses
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That's a bit vague. Anything more specific to actually wearing a cross?
 
Yas786 said:
That’s fair enough. I didn’t ask you for your opinion of religions, whether it be Islam, Christianity or Judaism. So perhaps you want to knock that chip off your shoulder there. I asked you to show me where in the Quran does it say a woman must wear a burka, a simple point in which you failed to address due to you not being into books. But then that leads me to think you are just a sheep that follows the crowd, if you aren’t willing to expand your knowledge about something you do not know about.

Yes muslim women wear burkas, but it’s absolutely nothing to do with Islam. But if wearing such a garment makes you equate that this is something Islam pressures women into doing then you are wrong.
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Its not explicit in the Quran/Koran.

That means its not Islamic, but it is primarily a Muslim cultural heritage taken to an extreme of modesty amongst other things.
 
Matthew 10:38

And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

Basically Jesus saying that to be worthy of his love you need to take up (carry) your cross. But like any religious text, it’s open to interpretation, but there’s more mention of the cross in the bible than there is of the burka in the Qu’ran.
 
RaohNS said:
No
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I didn't think there was.

Just to be clear, although it should be obvious enough, I'm not actually in favour of banning crosses/crucifixes for reasons other than health & safety, etc. I understand that they are important symbols of faith to some people and the Bible not mentioning anything about wearing them as doesn't change that fact.

That's exactly how I feel about faith symbols in general, including the burka. Who cares if there's no mention of them in the Koran?

Aren't there more important things to worry about?
 
robfosters said:
Matthew 10:38

And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

Basically Jesus saying that to be worthy of his love you need to take up (carry) your cross. But like any religious text, it’s open to interpretation, but there’s more mention of the cross in the bible than there is of the burka in the Qu’ran.
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Sorry Rob but the text refers to the cross as a burden/pain in a metaphorical sense and follow him. In other words I have born my pain, you bear yours and follow me (in the sense of belief) unto Heaven.

The following verses corroborate this or at the very least preponderate that position.
 
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