IMO, Nvidia will only release a Ti if AMD brings something good to the table. 1080ti and 1070ti are a good example of this. So you might be waiting for something that won't be coming out.
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Its not GTX, its RTX 2080, nVidia Turing Raytracing card.
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IMO, Nvidia will only release a Ti if AMD brings something good to the table. 1080ti and 1070ti are a good example of this. So you might be waiting for something that won't be coming out.
Good point
What was the 1080ti a response to? The 980ti was already matching and beating the Fury X at the time let alone the 1080. The ti just rubbed salt in the wounds.
There has been a ti for some generations now and it's almost nailed on we will get a ti variant here. I'll be waiting for one unless there is a crazy good Titan that's not 3k.
It was a preemptive response to Vega. Rumours were saying Vega would be between the 1080 and at that point rumoured 1080 Ti that was cut down from a Titan X Pascal (not Xp). When the Ti was released it actually had the 3584 cores that the Titan X had and higher clocks which meant it was more powerful than expected.
When Tom Peterson of Nvidia was asked by Ryan Shrout of PC Per why Nvidia had been so aggressive with the Ti his response was along the lines of "it kills the market" or "it's because of the market". https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/PCPer-Live-GeForce-GTX-1080-Ti-Live-Stream-Tom-Petersen
Vega came 6 months later. Also even for all the money Nvidia have it’s going to be impossible to make changes without some lead time. Probably months.
780ti, 980ti and 1080ti suggest it is an important part of the line up and the flagship GPU outside of the Titan which seems to sit on its own. 2080ti or an equivalent is pretty much nailed on regardless of what AMD do.
No one really knows. It’s wait and see stuff.
Exactly, the 2070 7GB makes no sense, especially marketting wise.
As Itron said it was a pre-emptive release to stop vega gaining any traction (and it worked). It only took them 3 months to get the 1070ti out the door from Vega 56 release.
If they were the flagship parts they would release at the same time as the rest of the product lineup. The 1080ti, 980ti and 780ti all released after the x80 counterparts. It's a terrible idea from a business stand point to release your best and most expensive offering after releasing the cheaper variants. You either release it at the same time or before the cheaper offerings that's good business practise.
As has been seen many times, as well as those waiting on a ti some will buy the non ti and then get the ti when it comes out. Synical on Nv’s part but not bad business. It’s why they do the releases as they do.
Whatever you think of them, doing the right thing to make the most money is what they are good at.
A ti is always part of the release schedule imo as I honestly think they are arrogant enough and in a position to not care what anyone else does.
I never said it doesn't sell. I well aware that they sell, but the number of people who sell their x80s to by a x80ti is probably insignificant when looking at overall sales.
My point is that the ti serves only one purpose, to take the performance crown from AMD if they release something faster than x80, because being on top of the benchmark chart is the most important things for Nvidia. Nvidia will give you the consumer the card that is just enough to be at the top of the benchmarks, otherwise the x80ti would release at the same time as the rest of the stack. IMO thats the only reason why the x80ti cards release so late.
Assuming that it will be called a 2080 the only way we are going to see a 2080ti is if Nvidia believes that AMD has something to challenge the x80 cards, which assuming that AdoredTVs source is accurate Nvidia doesn't believe that AMD will have something to challenge them.
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I disagree. The ti exists to scoop up the sales from people who can't quite convince themselves to stretch to the Titan, and they've usually bought a x80 instead. I've done this a couple of times in the past, and if I wasn't so stuck on custom water I'd just buy the Titan and save myself the cash/grief and also enjoy top performance for longer.
Sorry but you are wrong. Ti first makes much less sense. Give people the card that will sell the most first, grab those early adopters who can’t help themselves, then they double dip when the ti comes out. I assumed this was a well known Nv tactic by now. Makes perfect sense.
They also know some people will be waiting for a ti and skip the non like me. How do they keep me invested?
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^^^^^ nvidia marketing wet dream.
Two things, I think the people selling x80 cards to move up to a x80ti are small minority compared to the total number of sales. (less than 10%)
Secondly, correct me if i'm wrong, I think at least 80% of the people who move up from x80 to x80ti, will sell their x80 to fund the jump. That means that for every person who Nvidia has double dipped they've potentially lost a sale of a brand new x80. (Admittidly not everyone who would buy x80 second hand would have bought it new, if second hand didn't exist)
In theory it makes sense to double dip, but it reality the amount gained is insignificant and the most likely thing that happens is that customers will stay with what they orginally purchased rather than trade up.
The Titan cards, or the shiney raytracing feature your current card won't be able to handle.
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The best course of action would be release x80ti and maybe the x80 (either at the same time or a few weeks after). Wait 2-3 months then drip feed the lower end of the product stack. By doing that you force early adopters and the impatient to move on to the highest teir. You eliminate the potential for some dude who has the money for x80ti buying and sticking with an x80 because he doesn't feel like spending the money few months down the line when x80ti.
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I guess we will never know but the current role out makes the most sense and you have to figure in the Titan.
Titan first: Unique and feeds those who want the absolute high end. Releasing a ti close to this will have an impact on sales so you keep Titan at the top until sales plateau.
2080 next: No threat to Titan performance.
2080ti later: Far enough away from Titan release to not impact sales, gives those who found the Titan off budget similar or same performance, you get those who didn’t find the 2080 a big enough increase from the 1080ti and you get the double dippers.
I’m not saying the release is not timed in some fashion but it’s always going to happen and I trust Nv where making money is concerned more than us on a forum.
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Remember this when Tessellation was intro into H.A.W.X 2?
I still chuckle when they zoom in to show you slight angle changes to the mountains that represent "tessy" in use.
But yeah, not only are they going to RT similar background scenes in future games but will tessellate them as well.