Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

MissChief · 16 Aug 2018 at 12:38

Gibbo said:
In our calculations you generally need to the pound to have a strength of 1.30 to equal the dollar price ins pounds. So generally if an MSRP in USA is $99, for us to hit £99, we need a 1.30 exchange rate, due to 20% VAT and other shipping/logistic costings. If the pound is stronger than 1.30 then the price is lower, if the pound is weaker than 1.30 then its actually very hard to match the dollar price in pounds including the VAT.

Of course what everyone forgets is MSRP's in US exclude tax as all states tax differently, some even have no tax. So if a product is $100 in the US, our price is around £83 +VAT, but once you add VAT your back to £100, so pound/dollar parity.

Pound is the weakest its been in history for a long time and that is the UK's problem, not NVIDIA's, AMD's, Intel's etc.

I stopped supporting Brexit as it meant the new GTX1080 I wanted was £750. I don't need that kind of danger in my life.

bigmike20vt · 16 Aug 2018 at 12:41

Uther said:
He'll be under a NDA or whatever it's called, and won't be sayin' nuffink.

double negative alert....

so I guess that means he will be saying something then?

hedgey · 16 Aug 2018 at 13:38

MissChief said:
They are, but the drops aren't spectacular or even tempting considering what's supposed to be coming. 1070's for £329 isn't so bad, 1070ti doesn't make sense at £400-£450 to me when a 1080 is £469 and there are three different ones to choose from too. 1080ti @£650 still seems overpriced considering the performance gain over the 1080. No one is really going to be buying top end unless there's further significant price drops. I'd like to see the 1080 less than £400 and 1080ti close to £500 then they might start shifting. And become viable for those with a fixed budget too.

1060 is priced at what I paid for a 970 like 4 years ago now. Successor to a 970 is a 1070, and its *still* £50 more than the 970 was, and its nearly EOL! the MSRP hasn't really fallen at all for the 1070 or 1080. The 1070ti is still overpriced, might as well get a 1080. Infact ive seen 1080's cheaper.

tl;dr - everything is overpriced. The GPU market is a disaster, because of the mining bubble, and AMD isn't in the race. NVIDIA is the new Intel.

hedgey · 16 Aug 2018 at 13:42

AMD buying ATI was a disaster. AMD GPU's are going the way of 3dfx I think. Intel need to take on NVIDIA in GPU's and only then will we see prices get back to sanity

scritchyrat · 16 Aug 2018 at 13:55

I think we're long passed the sanity phase. We're full on into ever increasing cost for diminishing returns and being told that - no offence Gibbo - a two year old 1070 at prices close to what it launched at is a bargain

I really, really want to do a full system rebuilt but it just feels like a colossal waste of money. I'll see how the cards deal in regard to launch prices for the 20X0 series and whether that has any baring on 10X0 stock (Gibbo has already said if anything the older stuff will be increasing) but it just feels like buying a new card is a hiding to nothing.

What has become of our hobby?

beany_bot · 16 Aug 2018 at 13:56

hedgey said:
AMD buying ATI was a disaster.

A disaster??? really??? Even though that part of AMD has been consistently profitable??

Seriously guys, this HAS to stop. Just because AMD don't have the fastest GPU out. People seem to assume the company is sinking/disaster/no hope.

bru · 16 Aug 2018 at 13:59

beany_bot said:
A disaster??? really??? Even though that part of AMD has been consistently profitable??

Seriously guys, this HAS to stop. Just because AMD don't have the fastest GPU out. People seem to assume the company is sinking/disaster/no hope.

Agreed AMD are doing OK, financially.
Certainly not on the edge of disaster.

beany_bot · 16 Aug 2018 at 14:03

scritchyrat said:
I think we're long passed the sanity phase. We're full on into ever increasing cost for diminishing returns and being told that - no offence Gibbo - a two year old 1070 at prices close to what it launched at is a bargain

I really, really want to do a full system rebuilt but it just feels like a colossal waste of money. I'll see how the cards deal in regard to launch prices for the 20X0 series and whether that has any baring on 10X0 stock (Gibbo has already said if anything the older stuff will be increasing) but it just feels like buying a new card is a hiding to nothing.

What has become of our hobby?

I did have that feeling this time last year but Ryzen and Threadripper (even though I don't own either) has changed my mind. Yeah GPU's are incremental upgrades, but they have been since the Voodoo3 days. I would say we haven't seen "leaps" in tech since the Athlon64 days. At least Ryzen is fixing the CPU market. All we need is for AMD or Intel to fix the GPU market and for RAM prices to come down and we are good again.

Fluffybob · 16 Aug 2018 at 14:06

So I've got up to 400 squids to spend on a replacement for my GTX780 (as long as I can sneak it past the wife) So will I be able to get a 2070 or should I just get a 1070/80 ? ? the dilemma is killing me ! !

Quartz · 16 Aug 2018 at 14:11

hedgey said:
AMD buying ATI was a disaster.

Really? AMD has profited hugely. All those consoles with AMD GPUs? AMD just need to turn their Ryzen team loose on Vega.

beany_bot · 16 Aug 2018 at 14:11

Fluffybob said:
So I've got up to 400 squids to spend on a replacement for my GTX780 (as long as I can sneak it past the wife) So will I be able to get a 2070 or should I just get a 1070/80 ? ? the dilemma is killing me ! !

Personally I would wait for the 20xx cards to release and then buy a second hand 1080. You could get that for £400 by then I would think? Maybe even a 1080Ti, who knows.

Gibbo · 16 Aug 2018 at 14:14

scritchyrat said:
I think we're long passed the sanity phase. We're full on into ever increasing cost for diminishing returns and being told that - no offence Gibbo - a two year old 1070 at prices close to what it launched at is a bargain

I really, really want to do a full system rebuilt but it just feels like a colossal waste of money. I'll see how the cards deal in regard to launch prices for the 20X0 series and whether that has any baring on 10X0 stock (Gibbo has already said if anything the older stuff will be increasing) but it just feels like buying a new card is a hiding to nothing.

What has become of our hobby?

In all fairness if the pound was around the strength it was around the Brexit period (1.45ish) then the prices on the hardware were selling now would be around for cheapest models:-

1080Ti: £579 (£629 lowest we hit recently)
1080: £399 (£439 lowest we hit recently)
1070ti: £369 (£389 lowest we hit recently)
1070: £299 (£329 and still active but nearly sold out, then they shall all be £350 plus)
1060 6G: £199 (£225 lowest we hit recently)
1050Ti: £139 (£147 lowest we hit recently)

The pound plays a big part, even though we got some good deals, lower USD cost, the pound in last two weeks has dropped from the 1.33-1.36 region to around 1.25 so it kind of nullifies the USD cost reduction and as previously mentioned the graphics cards and other components are purchased in USD.

ltron · 16 Aug 2018 at 14:26

Gibbo said:
In all fairness if the pound was around the strength it was around the Brexit period (1.45ish) then the prices on the hardware were selling now would be around for cheapest models:-

1080Ti: £579 (£629 lowest we hit recently)
1080: £399 (£439 lowest we hit recently)
1070ti: £369 (£389 lowest we hit recently)
1070: £299 (£329 and still active but nearly sold out, then they shall all be £350 plus)
1060 6G: £199 (£225 lowest we hit recently)
1050Ti: £139 (£147 lowest we hit recently)

The pound plays a big part, even though we got some good deals, lower USD cost, the pound in last two weeks has dropped from the 1.33-1.36 region to around 1.25 so it kind of nullifies the USD cost reduction and as previously mentioned the graphics cards and other components are purchased in USD.

And that 1.45 was lower than it should have been as the risk that the referendum presented had been priced in. I firmly believe we would be at at least 1.60 now had Remain won.

jigger · 16 Aug 2018 at 14:27

KillBoY_UK said:
Keep dreaming, the R290's only got to that and less due to them being phased out for the more pricey R290 (eg R390) and there was a glut of the cards in the market due to the first bitcoin bursting

£320 at launch.

Boomstick777 · 16 Aug 2018 at 14:35

hedgey said:
tl;dr - everything is overpriced. The GPU market is a disaster, because of the mining bubble, and AMD isn't in the race. NVIDIA is the new Intel.

Yep GPU market is in a bad way pricing wise. The monopoly of Nvidia could be reversed in 1 gen if people simply didn't rush out and buy at crazy prices. Wait until AMD bring something, or just stick with what you have now.

Every gen we moan about pricing, and every gen we hand them our money. This is a self fulfilling prophesy. Only way to make change is to vote with your wallet.

Boomstick777 · 16 Aug 2018 at 14:39

My quick guess / predictions on pricing:

GTX 2080 Ti £899 (Coming later when 2080 customer is milked)
GTX 2080 £699 (Some Basic models) £799+ (Custom)
GTX 2070 £519 (Some Basic models) £619+ (Custom)
GTX 2060 £319 (Some Basic models) £399+ (Custom)
GTX 2050 Ti £199+ (Coming later)
GTX 2050 £169+

When AMD launches pricing will get a shakeup, but that is a ways off for 'high end'.

kevman · 16 Aug 2018 at 14:39

Could be worse - could have weak pound plus trade war tariffs

Silent_Scone · 16 Aug 2018 at 14:40

jigger said:
£320 at launch.

Scary, isn't it

Rannoch · 16 Aug 2018 at 14:41

Boomstick777 said:
My quick guess / predictions on pricing:

GTX 2080 Ti £899 (Coming later when 2080 customer is milked)
GTX 2080 £699 (Some Basic models) £799+ (Custom)
GTX 2070 £519 (Some Basic models) £619+ (Custom)
GTX 2060 £319 (Some Basic models) £399+ (Custom)
GTX 2050 Ti £199+ (Coming later)
GTX 2050 £169+

When AMD launches pricing will get a shakeup, but that is a ways off for 'high end'.

I agree.

RSR · 16 Aug 2018 at 14:44

What about the Titan RTX?