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Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread
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If AMD refresh their Vega lineup to 7nm they will manage to increase speeds and reduce prices so that should hopefully keep nVidia in its toes, as long as the new nVidia cards only offer the small increases in perf we've been hearing about.
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The last time you bought a GPU it was, times have changed and £300 will net you a 580 or a 1060. Neither are high end.
It was £250 earlier!
1070 performance for £250 would be more reasonable. AMD have to make a profit. They're not making one on the 64s at the moment!
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The last time I bought a GPU was two days ago. I bought a pair of RX480's on launch, from the shop for £173 each. £230 buys you an RX580 BTW.
The millions of people using Intel APU's for any non gaming stuff, would disagree with you, if they knew what an IGP or APU was.
When the 1080 launched 980ti got dropped to less than £300. That was much bigger chip.
I was going on OCUK's pricing, they currently have 6 variants of 580's at £299. Still, the point stands, £300 isn't high end. Hell £400 isnt high end anymore.
Look harder! 580 8G Red Devil is £239.99
So was I. Hence from the shop...
I missed that card somehow. But even if it was £100, my point is still valid. £300 isn't high end pricing anymore. Neither is £400 times have changed.
In this event this only buy AMD a little time, when Nvidia moves to 7np then AMD will be in trouble. AMD just does not seem to have a chip to compete with Nvidia. AMD badly news a new architecture basically a Ryzen equivalent for their GFX card segment.
They have to drop their price even more now to compete and I doubt it would be worth producing VEGA in such a situation. I bet they would even loose money if they have to drop the price any more.
Wonder if they can do a 12nm res-spin of VEGA with a larger die to compete with NVIDIA.
Vega is currently sold at a loss, remember that. Any cost reduction, needs to remain on AMD's side to turn it into a profit making SKU and not a loss making one.
Also remember VEGA 64 is a £549 - £599 SKU, the OcUK price of £449 is quite unique in the channel and heavily subsidised by both AMD and board partner, they make a loss.
A re-spin will give 5-7% performance boost, 10% at most, so I'd expect those gains, but the prices to remain as they are.
AMD are competing just fine, so unless Nvidia offer a massive performance jump and/or price a drop, that's not going to change the situation to the point a price adjustment couldn't fix.
Question for you, then.
How many years should it be before 1080 perf should be <£300?
Should this never happen? Should that performance always cost at lease £300, forever and ever, amen?
The current way things work is not how they used to work. You used to get more performance each gen even if you paid the same amount you paid last gen.
How things work in 2018, is that if you want an upgrade, you have to move up a price tier each gen.
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