decent 2nd hand upgrade from a 780

Marine-RX179 · 20 Aug 2018 at 14:51

Drake5 said:
I think I might get that blower 1070, but my PSU is a Corsair RM450. Should this be enough for a 1070

Depending on the rest of your system...

But the 1070 alone should only be consuming around max of 155W:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/22.html
...and even if overclocking, the single 8pin PCI-E external power (150W max) together with the 75W bus power would mean physically the 1070 would not be able to draw in exceeding 225W. So with 225W~295W remain for the rest of the system, it should be perfectly fine.

Marine-RX179 · 20 Aug 2018 at 14:53

Marine-RX179 said:
Depending on the rest of your system...

But the 1070 alone should only be consuming around max of 155W:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/22.html
...and even if overclocking, the single 8pin PCI-E external power (150W max) together with the 75W bus power would mean physically the 1070 would not be able to draw in exceeding 225W. So with 225W~295W remain for the rest of the system, it should be perfectly fine.

Do wait for the new gen Nvidia cards to launch first, as old gen cards may then be sold at EOL pricing by retailers. Even if the retailers EOL pricing is still too high comparing to what you are willing to pay, the 2nd hand market pricing will tank as well because of the tanking of the pricing for these old gen cards.

Drake5 · 20 Aug 2018 at 14:56

Marine-RX179 said:
Do wait for the new gen Nvidia cards to launch first, as old gen cards may then be sold at EOL pricing by retailers. Even if the retailers EOL pricing is still too high comparing to what you are willing to pay, the 2nd hand market pricing will tank as well because of the tanking of the pricing for these old gen cards.

When are the new cards launching

Marine-RX179 · 20 Aug 2018 at 15:09

Drake5 said:
When are the new cards launching

The 2080/2080Ti supposed to be launching today at 5pm. OcUK already have a page setup ready to put the cards up there:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/graphics-cards/nvidia/geforce-rtx-2080ti

2060/2070 will probably be launched later toward November.

Lokken86 · 20 Aug 2018 at 15:29

Rroff said:
Coming from a 780GHz albeit it had the nuts clocked off it - I have to echo the above you are likely going to be disappointed in what £150 gets you - you aren't talking a clear upgrade until you hit the 980ti or 1070 unless you spend a lot of time playing a game that Kepler falls down badly in.

Caveat to that if you have an older A1 revision 780 that doesn't boost or overclock very well - then some of the cards like the 580 would be a clearer upgrade.

Depends - A stepping 780 that is poor to average out the box boost and limited overclocking sure - a decent B stepping card a 580 really isn't obliterating it in real world usage outside of some titles Kepler falls down in.

To put it into perspective my B stepping 780GHz with its out the box boost (1260MHz or something I can't remember now) was barely slower than vanilla 780 SLI if you limited those cards to 900MHz as some reviewers seem to have done. At 1300MHz it was hot on the heels of the stock RX480/580 cards - obviously they could overclock themselves to pull more away from it.

I appreciate you think highly of the 780s and maybe theirs a chance a heavily overclocked elite version of the 780, in older games, could stay within 30% of a stock 580, but If we're talking new games then the 580 is putting serious distance between itself and the 780ti even (75-100%). Far Cry 5 at 1440p it was only 4 fps less then a 980ti. As you say the 580s overclock too. That review sample was getting 170mhz extra on the core and getting a pretty impressive 5300 point in 3D Mark Timespy, which is matching a stock 980ti.

james.miller · 20 Aug 2018 at 15:35

980ti at least or dont bother.

lokken86 said:
Really guys why keep going on bout 1070 and 980ti they are out of budget.

Then wait or increase budget

LeMson · 20 Aug 2018 at 15:50

Keep saving, £150 isn't enough to upgrade

Lokken86 · 20 Aug 2018 at 16:11

LeMson said:
Keep saving, £150 isn't enough to upgrade

It can be done I tell ya!

Drake5 · 20 Aug 2018 at 16:44

What about a 1060 that's been mined on? Not enough of an upgrade?

Ian Evey · 20 Aug 2018 at 17:22

Drake5 said:
What about a 1060 that's been mined on? Not enough of an upgrade?

A 1060 is a 20% jump as is an Amd 580, the only real upgrade really is a vega 56 /64 and a 980ti or 1070 / 1080.

I had a 780 and now a 1060 and is about 10fps faster in the games I play so not really an upgrade.

Drake5 · 20 Aug 2018 at 17:36

Ian Evey said:
A 1060 is a 20% jump as is an Amd 580, the only real upgrade really is a vega 56 /64 and a 980ti or 1070 / 1080.

I had a 780 and now a 1060 and is about 10fps faster in the games I play so not really an upgrade.

So the advice is to wait a while for the 1070 to drop in price ?

Ian Evey · 20 Aug 2018 at 17:49

Drake5 said:
So the advice is to wait a while for the 1070 to drop in price ?

I would wait, I had no card and knew the 1060 was a bit faster but the mining craze shot prices up or else I would have got a 1070.

Drake5 · 21 Aug 2018 at 11:01

What about a 580? About a 30percent increase ?

LeMson · 21 Aug 2018 at 11:52

Aim for a 1070

Marine-RX179 · 21 Aug 2018 at 12:03

Drake5 said:
What about a 580? About a 30percent increase ?

That's only in the best case scenario in the newer games that Nvidia have not optimised the GTX780 for and/or runs better on AMD than Nvidia hardware; in older games that were launch before GTX780 became EOL the performance difference would not be anywhere close to that I'm afraid.

The GTX1070 is about 20~25%+ faster than the RX580, so it certainly worth spending the extra for. Someone is already selling a EVGA 1070 at the marketplace down to £250.

Rroff · 21 Aug 2018 at 12:15

It would be interesting to know what the boost clock your 780 is getting in games - if it is an older one that struggles to get much over 900MHz then going for something like a 1060/580 would see more of a difference compared to if you had one boosting to 11xx or even hitting 1200+MHz.

ttaskmaster · 21 Aug 2018 at 15:24

Lokken86 said:
Really guys why keep going on bout 1070 and 980ti they are out of budget.

I got a Gigabyte 980Ti on here for £230, but that included the waterblock and bits. Used prices went down a bit and then jumped up quite a bit recently, so it's really a matter of nabbing a bargain when it comes up.
But certainly this 980Ti utterly anihilates my 780 Lightning and is pushing well into the realms of 1080 performance without breaking a sweat!

Lokken86 · 21 Aug 2018 at 15:32

ttaskmaster said:
I got a Gigabyte 980Ti on here for £230, but that included the waterblock and bits. Used prices went down a bit and then jumped up quite a bit recently, so it's really a matter of nabbing a bargain when it comes up.
But certainly this 980Ti utterly anihilates my 780 Lightning and is pushing well into the realms of 1080 performance without breaking a sweat!

Yep and overclocked would be hilariously faster but even still an overclocked 580 is a lot cheaper and would still whoop the 780 into last century.

ttaskmaster · 21 Aug 2018 at 15:50

Lokken86 said:
Yep and overclocked would be hilariously faster but even still an overclocked 580 is a lot cheaper and would still whoop the 780 into last century.

Like I said, it depends entirely on what comes up at the time. There are some 980Tis going for as little as £150.
On average, the 980Ti seems to be about £20 more, but you get a lot more for your money.

Drake5 · 21 Aug 2018 at 15:52

ttaskmaster said:
Like I said, it depends entirely on what comes up at the time. There are some 980Tis going for as little as £150.
On average, the 980Ti seems to be about £20 more, but you get a lot more for your money.

Well I can get a 980ti locally for £230 but is has no warranty and I'm not sure my PSU (Corsair RM450) would be up to it