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Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

Feels like a very strange launch for a card, the last time I felt like this was when the HD2900XT came out with a new arc which was a flop.
 
From Reddit:

Founder's Edition RTX 20 series cards:

  • RTX 2080Ti: 4352 x 2 x 1635MHz = 14.23 TFLOPs

  • RTX 2080: 2944 x 2 x 1800MHz = 10.59 TFLOPs

  • RTX 2070: 2304 x 2 x 1710MHz = 7.87 TFLOPs
Reference Spec RTX 20 series cards:

  • RTX 2080Ti: 4352 x 2 x 1545MHz = 13.44 TFLOPs

  • RTX 2080: 2944 x 2 x 1710MHz = 10.06 TFLOPs

  • RTX 2070: 2304 x 2 x 1620MHz = 7.46 TFLOPs
Pascal

  • GTX 1080Ti: 3584 x 2 x 1582MHz = 11.33 TFLOPs

  • GTX 1080: 2560 x 2 x 1733MHz = 8.87 TFLOPs

  • GTX 1070: 1920 x 2 x 1683MHz = 6.46 TFLOPs
Some AMD cards for comparison:

  • RX Vega 64: 4096 x 2 x 1536MHz = 12.58 TFLOPs

  • RX Vega 56: 3584 x 2 x 1474MHz = 10.56 TFLOPs

  • RX 580: 2304 x 2 x 1340MHz = 6.17 TFLOPs

  • RX 480: 2304 x 2 x 1266MHz = 5.83 TFLOPs
How much faster from 10 series to 20 series, in TFLOPs:

  • GTX 1070 to RTX 2070 Ref: 15.47%

  • GTX 1070 to RTX 2070 FE: 21.82%

  • GTX 1080 to RTX 2080 Ref: 13.41%

  • GTX 1080 to RTX 2080 FE: 19.39%

  • GTX 1080Ti to RTX 2080Ti Ref: 18.62%

  • GTX 1080Ti to RTX 2080Ti FE: 25.59%
 
Why why why chase ray tracing, I feel infuriated and intrigued at the same time.

Yes I get they want to progress and push new tech to the PC market, that isn't a bad thing at all it's what still keeps interest in PC gaming for years to come, but I feel like we didn't need this tech as of yet, surely they could have just focused on making a card which truly smashes the last generation.

I may be proven wrong with reviews but I have a sneaky feeling I won't be.
 
opethdisciple said:
So the 2080 is a hot card?
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Yep. If you see Nvidia posting 285W TDP (base clocks), it will run VERY HOT. And heat means power consumption.
And because of hear, and how those cards are downclocking from 30C (like Pascal), their boost clocks going to suffer.
 
awaybreaktoday said:
From Reddit:

Founder's Edition RTX 20 series cards:

  • RTX 2080Ti: 4352 x 2 x 1635MHz = 14.23 TFLOPs

  • RTX 2080: 2944 x 2 x 1800MHz = 10.59 TFLOPs

  • RTX 2070: 2304 x 2 x 1710MHz = 7.87 TFLOPs
Reference Spec RTX 20 series cards:

  • RTX 2080Ti: 4352 x 2 x 1545MHz = 13.44 TFLOPs

  • RTX 2080: 2944 x 2 x 1710MHz = 10.06 TFLOPs

  • RTX 2070: 2304 x 2 x 1620MHz = 7.46 TFLOPs
Pascal

  • GTX 1080Ti: 3584 x 2 x 1582MHz = 11.33 TFLOPs

  • GTX 1080: 2560 x 2 x 1733MHz = 8.87 TFLOPs

  • GTX 1070: 1920 x 2 x 1683MHz = 6.46 TFLOPs
Some AMD cards for comparison:

  • RX Vega 64: 4096 x 2 x 1536MHz = 12.58 TFLOPs

  • RX Vega 56: 3584 x 2 x 1474MHz = 10.56 TFLOPs

  • RX 580: 2304 x 2 x 1340MHz = 6.17 TFLOPs

  • RX 480: 2304 x 2 x 1266MHz = 5.83 TFLOPs
How much faster from 10 series to 20 series, in TFLOPs:

  • GTX 1070 to RTX 2070 Ref: 15.47%

  • GTX 1070 to RTX 2070 FE: 21.82%

  • GTX 1080 to RTX 2080 Ref: 13.41%

  • GTX 1080 to RTX 2080 FE: 19.39%

  • GTX 1080Ti to RTX 2080Ti Ref: 18.62%

  • GTX 1080Ti to RTX 2080Ti FE: 25.59%
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Shiet I was bang on to say 15-20% MAX :D
 
smilingcrow said:
Saying you are going to move to a console because a company releases a premium GPU at a very high price is like saying in response to the launch of a new £300K Ferrari that you are going to start taking the train; A total knee jerk reaction.
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Satchfanuk said:
Not exactly... If you're using this analogy it only works if you say previous Ferrari's were £230k and you were waiting on the new one expecting it to be the same, only to find it is £300k on release.
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Nope, you have missed the context here.
Ferrari are still selling the old one at £230K but have added a new model which is generally faster on the road and also has extra features that make it dramatically faster under certain conditions.
The choice is yours, the older £230k car has got no slower and if that suits your needs then buy that.
To say you are now going to take the train because Ferrari have released a faster and more expensive car is facile.

If people take their expectations too seriously and throw a tantrum because they aren't met then that is just a fit of the ego.
 
Tom|Nbk said:
Why why why chase ray tracing, I feel infuriated and intrigued at the same time.

Yes I get they want to progress and push new tech to the PC market, that isn't a bad thing at all it's what still keeps interest in PC gaming for years to come, but I feel like we didn't need this tech as of yet, surely they could have just focused on making a card which truly smashes the last generation.

I may be proven wrong with reviews but I have a sneaky feeling I won't be.
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Hardware Ray Tracing exists 5 years now, while RadeonRays 1 & 2 support CUDA programming and is open.
Yet Nvidia decided to create their own tech, lock it on specific hardware (RTX 2080, 2080Ti and 2070) and gimpworks.
 
They've capped any improvement to normal in-game performance by giving over so much of the chip to specialised AI and RT functions - much like it's annoying that so much of a CPU is given over to a iGPU that's hardly ever used. This might make them vulnerable to AMD catching them up - just like has happened to CPUs

Even if competition is not forthcoming poor sales could lead to pressure from retailers for price reductions this time.
 
Panos said:
Hardware Ray Tracing exists 5 years now, while RadeonRays 1 & 2 support CUDA programming and is open.
Yet Nvidia decided to create their own tech, lock it on specific hardware (RTX 2080, 2080Ti and 2070) and gimpworks.
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Yes but only NV could be the force to push this into developers. We didn't need or want this yet. We just wanted our 50% increases over previous gen for the same entry price as before. Mehhh
 
Tom|Nbk said:
Why why why chase ray tracing, I feel infuriated and intrigued at the same time.

Yes I get they want to progress and push new tech to the PC market, that isn't a bad thing at all it's what still keeps interest in PC gaming for years to come, but I feel like we didn't need this tech as of yet, surely they could have just focused on making a card which truly smashes the last generation.

I may be proven wrong with reviews but I have a sneaky feeling I won't be.
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Cause some like ME like something more than MORE FPS ??
Thats why I play in 3D cause 2d gaming looks poor to ME.... 7 years so far.
Ill put it in perspective...... Titan Pascal can ALMOST maintain 60fps in 3D@1080p hehe

This raytracing looks FANTASTIC !!! Finally some jump besides resolution and fps :)


BTW. YOU and most wanted 50% more fps I wanted SOMETHING NEW and got it :)
 
jwsg said:
They've capped any improvement to normal in-game performance by giving over so much of the chip to specialised AI and RT functions - much like it's annoying that so much of a CPU is given over to a iGPU that's hardly ever used. This might make them vulnerable to AMD catching them up - just like has happened to CPUs.
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I'm glad to see someone else gets this as I've espoused it a few times and people don't seem to grasp it.
 
smilingcrow said:
You've bought into pre-release speculation as it is rated at 250W.
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Sorry mixed it with the 2080Ti.

Yet 250W at base speed is a lot mate for GPU, that is exactly the base clock TDP of the GTX480

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/268/geforce-gtx-480

Vega 64 has 295W TDP at max boost clock, and you have to heavily overclock custom AIB (Devil, Nitro) to achieve that.
Normally they run at 276W at 1630 clock at default Turbo mode and 234W at balanced mode.
 
smilingcrow said:
Nope, you have missed the context here.
Ferrari are still selling the old one at £230K but have added a new model which is generally faster on the road and also has extra features that make it dramatically faster under certain conditions.
The choice is yours, the older £230k car has got no slower and if that suits your needs then buy that.
To say you are now going to take the train because Ferrari have released a faster and more expensive car is facile.

If people take their expectations too seriously and throw a tantrum because they aren't met then that is just a fit of the ego.
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Analogy doesn't work because road speed limits aren't going up each year.

Whereas games can/will get more demanding each year.
 
Zeed said:
Cause some like ME like something more than MORE FPS ??
Thats why I play in 3D cause 2d gaming looks poor to ME.... 7 years so far.
Ill put it in perspective...... Titan Pascal can ALMOST maintain 60fps in 3D@1080p hehe

This raytracing looks FANTASTIC !!! Finally some jump besides resolution and fps :)


BTW. YOU and most wanted 50% more fps I wanted SOMETHING NEW and got it :)
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It seems your caps lock is sticking on and off, replace the KEYboard first BEFORE the 1000 pound GPU.
 
smilingcrow said:
Ferrari are still selling the old one at £230K but have added a new model which is generally faster on the road and also has extra features that make it dramatically faster under certain conditions.
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FoxEye said:
Analogy doesn't work because road speed limits aren't going up each year.
Whereas games can/will get more demanding each year.
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People buying very fast road cars can also use them for track days which is why I said "dramatically faster under certain conditions."
But clearly RT is not about top speed but better performance so with cars that can mean better acceleration, cornering speeds, braking etc which can be appreciated on the road.
 
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