2700X question

HRL · 15 Oct 2018 at 16:15

Asked this is the RAM thread but it doesn’t see much traffic in there.

Could a 2700X owner please confirm whether or not this RAM is a good purchase and can be used at 3600Mhz with a Auros X470 Gaming Ultra mobo?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...-3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-blac-my-0a3-tg.html

Might buy two kits if so as it seems a decent price.

Gibbo · 15 Oct 2018 at 16:47

It could well be B-Die but even if it is, I am afraid it won't be the specially binned B-Die or extremely unlikely and just for reference ONLY TeamGroup and G.Skill has access to the high grade B-Die offer and this can be found on the high-end G.SKill Trident stuff and of course the 8 Pack memory SKU's.

In theory this stuff will absolutely do 3200MHz with Ryzen, but 3600MHz might be a push as a lot is also down to the Ryzen CPU itself.

The absolute best is of course 8 Pack stuff which uses the higher binned screened B-Die, but if I were you I'd focus on running at 3200MHz with whichever kit you get with tighter memory timings as 3200MHz really is the sweet spot with Ryzen and is most efficient speed, once you go beyond 3200MHz the performance improvements become less so than say just running 2400MHz memory.

Troezar · 15 Oct 2018 at 18:41

Gibbo said:
It could well be B-Die but even if it is, I am afraid it won't be the specially binned B-Die or extremely unlikely and just for reference ONLY TeamGroup and G.Skill has access to the high grade B-Die offer and this can be found on the high-end G.SKill Trident stuff and of course the 8 Pack memory SKU's.

In theory this stuff will absolutely do 3200MHz with Ryzen, but 3600MHz might be a push as a lot is also down to the Ryzen CPU itself.

The absolute best is of course 8 Pack stuff which uses the higher binned screened B-Die, but if I were you I'd focus on running at 3200MHz with whichever kit you get with tighter memory timings as 3200MHz really is the sweet spot with Ryzen and is most efficient speed, once you go beyond 3200MHz the performance improvements become less so than say just running 2400MHz memory.

Gibbo, does the same go for Threadripper?

Panos · 15 Oct 2018 at 18:53

HRL said:
Asked this is the RAM thread but it doesn’t see much traffic in there.

Could a 2700X owner please confirm whether or not this RAM is a good purchase and can be used at 3600Mhz with a Auros X470 Gaming Ultra mobo?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...-3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-blac-my-0a3-tg.html

Might buy two kits if so as it seems a decent price.

It is 3600 C19. Imho if you add power could do C16 but you should be looking for 3400C14 for the Ryzen.

humbug · 15 Oct 2018 at 18:53

Gibbo said:
It could well be B-Die but even if it is, I am afraid it won't be the specially binned B-Die or extremely unlikely and just for reference ONLY TeamGroup and G.Skill has access to the high grade B-Die offer and this can be found on the high-end G.SKill Trident stuff and of course the 8 Pack memory SKU's.

In theory this stuff will absolutely do 3200MHz with Ryzen, but 3600MHz might be a push as a lot is also down to the Ryzen CPU itself.

The absolute best is of course 8 Pack stuff which uses the higher binned screened B-Die, but if I were you I'd focus on running at 3200MHz with whichever kit you get with tighter memory timings as 3200MHz really is the sweet spot with Ryzen and is most efficient speed, once you go beyond 3200MHz the performance improvements become less so than say just running 2400MHz memory.

Yes but that 8Pack stuff is £90 more

HRL · 15 Oct 2018 at 19:15

Panos said:
It is 3600 C19. Imho if you add power could do C16 but you should be looking for 3400C14 for the Ryzen.

Any recommendations from OCUK stock? It’s been about 15 years since I last dabbled with RAM timings. Thought it had all been simplified these days.

@Gibbo Thanks for the info. Wrongly assumed that as it stated 3600 in the spec it would be able to run at that speed on that X470 board.

chroniclard · 15 Oct 2018 at 19:18

Takes a lot of tweaking to get 3600 on Ryzen at decent timings. Better off aiming for 3200 tight timings and go from there.

Lots of people have had decent results with GSkill memory.

HRL · 15 Oct 2018 at 19:26

So 3200 RAM at tighter timings is better than 3600 RAM with looser timings?

Thought clock speed was king but not for RAM then?

Hagar · 15 Oct 2018 at 19:28

chroniclard said:
Takes a lot of tweaking to get 3600 on Ryzen at decent timings. Better off aiming for 3200 tight timings and go from there.

Lots of people have had decent results with GSkill memory.

Ripjaws V 3200C14 have been running at 3333C14 for months now with no crashes (C6H and R7 1700).

Panos · 15 Oct 2018 at 19:45

chroniclard said:
Takes a lot of tweaking to get 3600 on Ryzen at decent timings. Better off aiming for 3200 tight timings and go from there.

Lots of people have had decent results with GSkill memory.

If the ram is rated it doesn't. Last year (April) with the 1800X, my Ripjaws 3600C16 worked straight away as 3600C15 by just activating DOP.
And that was when most people couldn't even do 2933.....

chroniclard · 15 Oct 2018 at 20:00

Panos said:
If the ram is rated it doesn't. Last year (April) with the 1800X, my Ripjaws 3600C16 worked straight away as 3600C15 by just activating DOP.
And that was when most people couldn't even do 2933.....

Yeha it does. Not many people will get those speeds out the box, hundreds on overclock forum don't get anywhere near. Even the ones that do spend hours tweaking stability.

gavinh87 · 15 Oct 2018 at 20:06

chroniclard said:
Yeha it does. Not many people will get those speeds out the box, hundreds on overclock forum don't get anywhere near. Even the ones that do spend hours tweaking stability.

+1 panos, you spout this about in many threads. You are the exception, not the rule.

kitfit1 · 15 Oct 2018 at 20:16

gavinh87 said:
+1 panos, you spout this about in many threads. You are the exception, not the rule.

Better make that 2 exceptions on here at least then Gavin :rolleyes:

sandys · 15 Oct 2018 at 20:19

I got 3600 straight away on my threadripper with some Gskill 3600C16 but only with 2 sticks, the other 2 were DOA, sent the 4 back and the next bunch would only do 3466

, then after some AGESA updates 3333

still it does that with quite tight timings. I don't feel too hard done by platform doesn't officially support greater than 2666.

Panos · 15 Oct 2018 at 20:23

gavinh87 said:
+1 panos, you spout this about in many threads. You are the exception, not the rule.

If you visit the CH6 discussion in overclock.net you will find posts from the day the CPU came out that there were people with 3600 rated ram doing it even on the 1700.
Those who struggle are those who bought cheap ram trying to overclock it, something they were doing with their Intel system.

8 months ago you wrote the same post, and I replied to you with the screenshot...... yet still you prefer to troll....

chroniclard · 15 Oct 2018 at 21:20

Those people are few and far between in the grand scheme of things.

Gibbo · 15 Oct 2018 at 21:34

humbug said:
Yes but that 8Pack stuff is £90 more

Yes because it’s the high binned B Die Samsung offers, the better stuff cost more it’s that simple as Samsung charge more for that IC and the 8 Pack stuff only uses the higher grade IC.

HRL · 15 Oct 2018 at 21:46

So back on topic, can someone recommend some RAM that should manage 3600 straight out of the box?

Or am I just wasting money?

Something like this as the 8pack kit is out of stock: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/g.sk...channel-kit-f4-3600c17d-16gtzr-my-10g-gs.html

kitfit1 · 15 Oct 2018 at 22:25

HRL said:
So back on topic, can someone recommend some RAM that should manage 3600 straight out of the box?

Or am I just wasting money?

Something like this as the 8pack kit is out of stock: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/g.sk...channel-kit-f4-3600c17d-16gtzr-my-10g-gs.html

Absolutely no one could possibly recommend ANY ram that will do 3600 straight out of the box. For the simple reason it's down to the IMC on your CPU as to if it wil do 3600 or not.
You have already been given good advice by Gibbo, if you want to cheap out and take a punt on some other ram getting 3600, then take the punt. At the end of the day though, if your cpu is not capable of running 3600 then it dosn't matter what you use, it will never run at 3600.

HRL · 15 Oct 2018 at 22:32

Got it. Certainly don’t want to cheap out but there are so many variations of RAM from G.Skill I don’t know which one to pick.

I thought the one I linked above was meant to be pretty good?

Should get 3200 for sure, might get more than that with the silicon lottery combination of CPU and RAM.