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First RTX2070 review

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Lastly, Most reviews these days have an overclocking section to try and get the best out of the card. Yet, why can't they show how to get the best out of Vega? It's easier to undervolt than it is to setup a custom fan profile.

If your stance is that only warrantied to do exactly what they say on the tin, shouldn't they stop any form of overclocking? especially from reviewers?

you are misrepresenting what i said.
Absolutely mention about under volting and over clocking, both are peas in the same pod....... but that is the gravy and a review should not be rating the card based primarily on the settings when fiddled with. Like i said, it is on AMD (or partners) to get their cards running properly without needed to be messed about with, becase after all anyone can lose the silicon lottery. you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about AMD vs nvidia so lets talk about a neutral piece of hardware.

the celeron 300. a great cpu and 1 I had myself. I bought it because it routinely overclocked to 450mhz, a 50% overclock. (I was lucky mine did too).
that said, the card was priced and marketed according to it running at 300mhz. of course sites reviewed it and talked about its overclocking potential... but at the same time it was STILL a celeron 300 and at the end of the day if intel had been foolish enough to price it at the same point as the AMD processors it traded blows with *when overclocked* I do not think the celeron 300a would have been even close to the hit it was.

overclocking / undervolting is the gravy but the point at which it should be mainly judged is out of the box at stock imo, because that is how most users will use them.

I *hope* my 1080ti can run close to 2ghz.... (I have not messed with it yet) but ultimately i can only be certain that it will run at what it says on the box. nothing else is set in stone
 
sorry but that is on amd then to not make stock settings better. We are probaly prepared to tinker to get every last drop out of our hardware - it is the nature of these forums - but a product should be judged on how 95% of the users will use it imo, and that is by taking it out of the box and running it.

sure, chat about overclocking etc as a fun little extra but ultimately the cards are only warrantied to do exactly what they say on the box and that is how they should be judged.

The reason I mentioned it wasn't so that this is "fair" to AMD, I mention it because it is for the consumer's best interest. If there's trivial slider adjustments which give you 20% more performance then that seems important to know when spending money on a GPU, likewise for hardware design failures ala Strix. After all, you want the best for your money, no?

My last few hardware buys both cpu, gpu and memory have all been in the ballpark of site tested examples. Also nvidia are likely binning FE cards and suiting the overclocking software to match, so I do not see anything unusual in this score.

Never trust overclocking figures from sites is rather narrow minded and reminds me more of the ES Conroe days.....

Feel free to trust whomever you want, but I'm telling you 2100 mhz OC on the core is going to be only for lottery winners. If you want to make purchasing decisions on 1% odds, go for it.
 
If you can get it at this price it makes more sense. 1080 perf with 1080 price + rtx potential

Sorry, but I disagree... for a new generation there should be a SIGNIFICANT upward shift in performance at the same price, or same performance at a SIGNIFICANTLY lower price IN ALL SCENARIOS... upward shift in performance only when RTX kicks in is not good enough.
 
Sorry, but I disagree... for a new generation there should be a SIGNIFICANT upward shift in performance at the same price, or same performance at a SIGNIFICANTLY lower price IN ALL SCENARIOS... upward shift in performance only when RTX kicks in is not good enough.

I would agree that as a generation the performance uplift is lack lustre when compared to the last gen but if you are looking for 1080 perf then at 459 (if you can get it at this price) you may as well go for the 2070.

It makes more sense to me than the 2080 currently does
 
Sorry, but I disagree... for a new generation there should be a SIGNIFICANT upward shift in performance at the same price, or same performance at a SIGNIFICANTLY lower price IN ALL SCENARIOS... upward shift in performance only when RTX kicks in is not good enough.

+1

Exactly. It's a massive price rise for each tier this gen, with less performance increase to boot
 
Vega 64 is a strange one for me.
I see it in Joker's cod 4 benches doing well and going toe to toe with 2080 which is supposed to be at or above 1080ti performance.
Then i see Vega 64 in other charts getting 1080 performance.

:confused:

Depends the Vega used.
Asus sent to almost everyone (like Jay2cents, Hardware unboxed) a Strix. The Strix has engineering defects, full stop. 1 VRM has no thermal pad, and those who do have thermal pads is too thin to touch the heatsink. So the card is throttling because there is no cooling, showing worse perf than the reference card (~15%). If you replace the thermal pads all is OK.

Next one up you have Red Devil, Nitro & LC. All these 3 cards out of the box perform the same and around 15-20% better than the reference blower.

Joker has a Nitro or a Red Devil if I remember correctly.

Also if you are interested of how Vega 64 truly performs pay a visit at the owners discussion. :)
 
I would agree that as a generation the performance uplift is lack lustre when compared to the last gen but if you are looking for 1080 perf then at 459 (if you can get it at this price) you may as well go for the 2070.

It makes more sense to me than the 2080 currently does

I'm fairly impressed with the performance increase from Turing, with each model offering approx 30% increased performance over the Pascal equivalent; however, the prices are totally unpalatable. My opinion is that the prices should remain comparable from one generation to the next, with increases for inflation... however, I get that it is more complicated when factors such as memory price increases come into play, even so, this big increase in prices that appears to now be common practise, considering the increases from Maxwell to Pascal and now Turing, does not appear justified to me.
 
Depends the Vega used.
Asus sent to almost everyone (like Jay2cents, Hardware unboxed) a Strix. The Strix has engineering defects, full stop. 1 VRM has no thermal pad, and those who do have thermal pads is too thin to touch the heatsink. So the card is throttling because there is no cooling, showing worse perf than the reference card (~15%). If you replace the thermal pads all is OK.

. :)

everything else aside 2 questions
1) how could this get past testing
2) why the hell was this not fixed within days of launch and a free update made (at asus' expense)

i would have expected AMD to have pushed for that as well because it reflects badly on the entire product, as shown by posts on this forum. If true the cooling is clearly not fit for purpose
 
everything else aside 2 questions
1) how could this get past testing
2) why the hell was this not fixed within days of launch and a free update made (at asus' expense)

i would have expected AMD to have pushed for that as well because it reflects badly on the entire product, as shown by posts on this forum. If true the cooling is clearly not fit for purpose

Complain to ASUS.....
Even Gibbo didn't believed us a month ago, when we told him not to bring Strix at "special price" as we are not interested in a defective card, and if he can do something, bring more Nitro or Red Devil.
Until we persuaded him, he was adamant there was no issue. When he actually tested it, and replaced the thermal pads showing jump in performance, said to us that he isn't going to buy 1000 strix for special pricing.
Don't get me wrong. If anyone plans to watercool the card (buy 3mm thick pads not the EK advised ones), or replaces the pads, performs admirably like the Nitro & Red Devil.
Even if the cooler is from older gen cards...... (seems same heatsink my GTX780 had)

Imho after this I have lost faith to Asus. :(

Here is the discussion

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/asus-strix-amd-vega-64-under-450-interested.18830240/

There I have posted benchmark video showing 4 Vega 64s head to head.


When I complained to Hardware Unboxed about this, when he was adamant that Strix is the best Vega 64(!!!) back in August, called me AMD fanboy!!!!! With such reviewers, what you expect???
 
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Complain to ASUS.....
Even Gibbo didn't believed us a month ago, when we told him not to bring Strix at "special price" as we are not interested in a defective card, and if he can do something, bring more Nitro or Red Devil.
Until we persuaded him, he was adamant there was no issue. When he actually tested it, and replaced the thermal pads showing jump in performance, said to us that he isn't going to buy 1000 strix for special pricing.
Don't get me wrong. If anyone plans to watercool the card (buy 3mm thick pads not the EK advised ones), or replaces the pads, performs admirably like the Nitro & Red Devil.
Even if the cooler is from older gen cards...... (seems same heatsink my GTX780 had)

Imho after this I have lost faith to Asus. :(

Here is the discussion

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/asus-strix-amd-vega-64-under-450-interested.18830240/

There I have posted benchmark video showing 4 Vega 64s head to head.


When I complained to Hardware Unboxed about this, when he was adamant that Strix is the best Vega 64(!!!) back in August, called me AMD fanboy!!!!! With such reviewers, what you expect???
Let's move the discussion over to the Vega thread I have a question for you about the different versions :)
 
Looking at prices the gtx 1080 ti is spiking in price and the 2070 is gonna slot in at £600 ish? for something worth £400-450 jesus this is getting silly.

The 2070 cant even do that much ray tracing (if 2080tis struggle never mind 2080's good luck with 2070's) so paying £200 pound more for what? dlss? you get more performance and 3gb more ram and at the same price for the 1080ti why would you ever buy anything else? (looks at how much 1080ti stock is vanishing of the market and laughs)
 
Hi there

The 2070's will be available to order after midnight, if that fails they shall be available in the morning, some are in stock too. :)
Prices will be £460 - £660 region.

The 2070 replaces 1080 and 2080 replaces 1080Ti.
As you can see from looking at our web store and other online shops the amount of available 1080 and 1080Ti have greatly diminished so if anyone is wanting or was thinking of getting a high-end Pascal those won't be about much longer.
Only 1070Ti and below are remaining in the line up with the NEW RTX cards as pricing structure shall be as follows:

2080Ti - £1100 - £1600
2080 - £700 - £900
2070 - £450 - £650
1070Ti - £380 - £480
1070 - £300 - £400
1060 6G - £220 - £320
1060 3G - £160 - £220
1050Ti - £140 - £200
1050 - £100 - £150


1080 and 1080Ti are officially EOL!
 
£450 for 2070.....

So £100+ cheaper than originally planned??????

Should mean second hand cards like vega 64/1080/1080 ti will tank in price now :D ;) :cool:
 
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