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2070 or 1080

bru said:
Yes we know other places have different prices, but here on OCUK own forums it is against to the rules to list them.

So this comment you made earlier is not correct.
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Doesn't matter. It's not OcUK world where we only go by OcUK, yes we can't list prices but it doesn't mean we can't say they're cheaper elsewhere. So my comment I made is correct.
 
willhub said:
Doesn't matter. It's not OcUK world where we only go by OcUK, yes we can't list prices but it doesn't mean we can't say they're cheaper elsewhere. So my comment I made is correct.
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So you are saying you can buy a 1080ti brand new for £460 else ware. :eek:

Well if you can get them for that price you go right ahead and do it, resell them on any of the popular auction sites and make your self a fortune.
 
I've done a quick search and I don't see them anywhere near £460 'brand new', more like £650+ and please don't go posting any URL's here though. I did find one going for £2100, used. And some thought NV were having a laugh with 20 series pricing :p
 
Tricky one with the RTX 2070 vs 1080, but there are sites more ITK than any of us comparing prices we've seen. Like below:

Speaking of TechSpot, the site also published a revealing "cost per frame" chart using typical market prices and not listed MSRP prices, because they're rarely if ever realistic. Crucially, these are based on TechSpot's 1440p benchmark results, since that's the sweet spot for RTX 2070. Here's a sample:

  • GTX 1070 Cost Per Frame: $5.00
  • GTX 1080 Cost Per Frame: $5.32
  • RTX 2070 Cost Per Frame: $6.12
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Personally I really dislike the idea of going for a 2070 and paying for RTX cores there's a 99% chance it'll never use (UWQHD display here and I insist on running native).

I personally have no intention of ever using SLI ever again, so that's not an issue for me with the RTX 2070, but still not nearly tempted enough to go for that card. Only titles showing mega proven gains with DLSS could ever convince me to go for it over a 1xxx series, and I'd always be irked that I have RTX silicon only useful for 720p that's useless to me even then.
 
I don't get that cost per frame chart, seeing as the 2070 is faster and cheaper than the 1080.
GTX 1070 from £390
GTX 1080 from £450
RTX 2070 from £460

Ok so this week the 1080 is just cheaper by a tenner than the 2070 but we all know the 2070 is ever so slightly faster.

Ah I see they have used a $600 2070 (certainly not one of the cheaper models) and a $490 1080 (certainly is one of the cheaper models) so not really a fair comparison at all.
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...eviews-reveal-a-serious-problem/#3a633f38761c

The article if you're interested, quoting several review sites, this one comparing the RTX 2070 with GTX 1070:

"The GeForce RTX 2070 Founders Edition is a very capable card. It has decent overclocking potential, it runs quiet, and temperatures under load are acceptable. If we were looking at pricing similar to the outgoing GTX 1070, it would be an excellent upgrade—40 percent faster for the same price! Unfortunately, it's 40 percent faster than the 1070 with a price that's 40 to 70 percent higher." ~ PC Gamer
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Heard elsewhere there's the whole down pricing at launch for initial reviews trick, which may be happening currently in favour of the RTX 2070. I've seen on this forum someone got a new 1070 for £282 inc P&P and import tax from the states, so coming across deals like that it'd blow any FPS/$ chart out of the water in favour of the 1070.

Similarly with the used market, there are some 1080 TIs going for less than 1080s, some 1080s going for less than 1070 TIs, and some 1070 TIs going for less than 1070s. AKA all over the place right now with significant overlaps.
 
Ok guys, he's just ordered a 2070 as most saying it is preferable over the 1080, he had a shall I get a used 1080ti moment but he decided on new. Thanks for your help chaps, I'm sure he'll be happy with his new 2070.
 
bru said:
The hate for the new RTX range is really bizarre
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You find it bizarre that some people aren't to keen to recommend paying circa the same amount, if not more, for roughly the same 'bang for buck' as an over two year old card when looking at a newly released GPU?

The RTX release from Nvidia has largely been a joke.

The second and third rung products currently available (2070 and 2080) all too often only offer comparable if not worse performance* per £ spent (in available applications /games) to the closest price comparable cards from the last gen (1080 and 1080ti respectively)

*(like when a 2080 chokes when it runs out of memory quicker than a 1080ti would)

We can be pretty sure that the only reason we have any launch 2070 cards under £500, in the UK, is because Nvidia had a bit of a panic when they saw how bad the 2080 and their joke launch MSRP claims were received by the market ** and instructed their AIB' s to make sure at least some 2070`s launched around the claimed MSRP.

**(an email inbox full of 2080's now in stock! in the days after release and very quick bundling of 'free* stuff in some markets and from some retailers for 2080`s)

Add in the real corker of launching a product whoose titular feature (RTX) had precisely zero products supporting it in launch and still doesn't and the RTX launch is fairly assed as being one of Nvidia's worst product launches for some time.

If you have a 1070 or better your only real substatial upgrade, performance wise, is a massively expensive 2080ti, which has all the hallmarks of being a quick cash grab before GPU's on a smaller process come along in 2019....
 
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Caracus2k said:
You find it bizarre that some people aren't to keen to recommend paying circa the same amount, if not more, for roughly the same 'bang for buck' as an over two year old card when looking at a newly released GPU?

The RTX release from Nvidia has largely been a joke.

The second and third rung products currently available (2070 and 2080) all too often only offer comparable if not worse performance* per £ spent (in available applications /games) to the closest price comparable cards from the last gen (1080 and 1080ti respectively)

*(like when a 2080 chokes when it runs out of memory quicker than a 1080ti would)

We can be pretty sure that the only reason we have any launch 2070 cards under £500, in the UK, is because Nvidia had a bit of a panic when they saw how bad the 2080 and their joke launch MSRP claims were received by the market ** and instructed their AIB' s to make sure at least some 2070`s launched around the claimed MSRP.

**(an email inbox full of 2080's now in stock! in the days after release and very quick bundling of 'free* stuff in some markets and from some retailers for 2080`s)

Add in the real corker of launching a product whoose titular feature (RTX) had precisely zero products supporting it in launch and still doesn't and the RTX launch is fairly assed as being one of Nvidia's worst product launches for some time.

If you have a 1070 or better your only real substatial upgrade, performance wise, is a massively expensive 2080ti, which has all the hallmarks of being a quick cash grab before GPU's on a smaller process come along in 2019....
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The hate for the price we all agree with, but the performance of the cards themselves in my opinion are very good, look at the 2070 for example 445mm² and that includes at a guess 200mm² worth of RT and tensor cores.
So a TU106 core performs as well as the larger GP104 core, all the time using less power.
 
bru said:
The hate for the price we all agree with, but the performance of the cards themselves in my opinion are very good, look at the 2070 for example 445mm² and that includes at a guess 200mm² worth of RT and tensor cores.
So a TU106 core performs as well as the larger GP104 core, all the time using less power.
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Just think of what nvidia could have offered consumers if they ditched the tensor and rt cores and just offered more Cuda cores or alternatively launched a far cheaper 2070 sans these largely superfluous additions (when implemented as weakly as the 2070 is looking to shape up) with a far smaller, cheaper to produce die.

The 2070 cant put much of any ground between itself and the 1080 in available titles for a similar cost.

At least the previous two xx70 cards were competitive , performance wise, with the previous gen xx80ti cards (and well clear or the previous xx80 cards) and came in far cheaper then the launch msrp of the previous gen xx80ti cards they were performance competive with whilst offering more memory to boot!

The 2070 and 2080 are poor offerings from nvidia.
 
While I don't completely disagree, people need to stop being FPS whores tho :). Appreciate it if people are running 4k(minority) but eventually games have to get more realistic, right? :). There will be a performance sacrifice at some point.
Find it a bit odd that with this fantastic new tech, "gamers" would rather have just more of the same it seems rather than a better more realistic experience? Just gimme mooore FPS :).
While they may seem poor offerings, we really don't know what the future holds yet. People are a little too fixated on the present.

Maybe AMD will come along and give people the choice of more raw FPS across the board (all games) without RT etc, who knows.
My own guess is that once RT is shown off properly people won't want to miss out. Will be easier to dismiss if only the Ti can do it well (too much £ for many), but if that's not the case and at least the 2080 does it fairly well too, there's probably going to be a rush to upgrade.
 
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