tbh if people just keep saying it over an over for years at one point it might come true.
then its going to be i told you this " insert whatever amd chip it is " was a intel beater. haha.
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tbh if people just keep saying it over an over for years at one point it might come true.
then its going to be i told you this " insert whatever amd chip it is " was a intel beater. haha.
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I don't disagree with your latter thinking there Journey, but i also think that AMD won't actually have enough partially faulty dies to make the process worthwhile. In other words, why cherry pick such small dies, makes more sense to me to dump them and pick the best.................after all, they will never have to pay for them in the first place if they don't come up to spec.
Indeed, but even imperfect products can be sold, and TSMC/AMD may have an agreement in place while the 7nm costs are high that allows both parties to benefit. TSMC get paid a little towards the losses, and AMD get ultra cheap product to use at the lower end of the market place.
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Yep, ok, we will wait and see lol.
tbh if people just keep saying it over an over for years at one point it might come true.
then its going to be i told you this " insert whatever amd chip it is " was a intel beater. haha.
You seem to have gotten yourself stuck in 2015.
Yep, it's pretty much all guess work at the moment, but we've both been around long enough to know you can always be surprised one way or the other.
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Yep, it's pretty much all guess work at the moment, but we've both been around long enough to know you can always be surprised one way or the other.
yep, we both have lol.
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Exactly. The 16 core CPU will be more expensive than what is available now. So lets say £500 to £550 at current exchange rates which is almost double what AMD charge now.
So something like:
1.)Ryzen 7 3800X 16C/32T ~ £500/£550
2.)Ryzen 7 3800 16C/32T ~ £400/£450
3.)Ryzen 7 3700X 12C/24T ~£350/£400
4.)Ryzen 7 3700 12C/24T ~ £300/£350
5.)Ryzen 5 3600X 8C/16T ~ £200/£250
6.)Ryzen 5 3600 8C/16T ~ £150/£200
7.)Ryzen 3 3500X 6C/12T ~ £100/£150
8.)Ryzen 3 3500 6C/12T ~£100
Each chiplet is 8C,so a 6C/12T CPU will have 3C enabled on each chiplet.
I mean it could be quite possible AMD does not do 16C on the desktop and only goes 8C.
The only case I can see that happening is we never see an AMD Ryzen 2 CPU,ie,its only an APU,and AMD goes from three desktop CPU lines to only 2.
Will look impressive if launched as proposed by you
I would fix the prices a little bit:1.)Ryzen 7 3800X 16C/32T ~ £500
2.)Ryzen 7 3800 16C/32T ~ £450
3.)Ryzen 7 3700X 12C/24T ~£400
4.)Ryzen 7 3700 12C/24T ~ £350
5.)Ryzen 5 3600X 8C/16T ~ £300
6.)Ryzen 5 3600 8C/16T ~ £250
7.)Ryzen 3 3500X 6C/12T ~ £200
8.)Ryzen 3 3500 6C/12T ~£150
You'll probably find that the £400+ SKU's would become an Ryzen 9, rather than Ryzen 7.
Let's hope it is Ryzen 10.
1.)Ryzen 10 3800X 16C/32T ~ £500
2.)Ryzen 10 3800 16C/32T ~ £450
3.)Ryzen 8 3700X 12C/24T ~£400
4.)Ryzen 8 3700 12C/24T ~ £350
5.)Ryzen 7 3600X 8C/16T ~ £300
6.)Ryzen 7 3600 8C/16T ~ £250
7.)Ryzen 5 3500X 6C/12T ~ £200
8.)Ryzen 5 3500 6C/12T ~£150
Are we forgetting Intel, the elephant in the room with their low end chips. Id does not matter what AMD is pushing, it matter what intel is suggesting.
Why does AMD need to bring 16 core Ryzen, when they already have 12/16/32 core Threadripper? Why confuse the market by dumping overlapping SKUs to the market. We have one Intel with their isomethingmeaningless naming nomenclature and hundreds of same chips under different names, why we need same thing from AMD? I would understand everyones desire to get 16 core desktop from AMD with Zen 2 if Threadripper was never introduced, but it has been and its here.
It is very likely that 3700x will woop Intels top dog to the pulp, and then comes Zen 2 threadripper with higher clocks to completely wipe the floor with i9s or whatever Intel will bring if ever.
Its amazing to see all this personal customisation going on
hey AMD has 16 cores already, but I want different 16 cores, please, you'll see it will be so coolAre we forgetting Intel, the elephant in the room with their low end chips. Id does not matter what AMD is pushing, it matter what intel is suggesting.
Why does AMD need to bring 16 core Ryzen, when they already have 12/16/32 core Threadripper? Why confuse the market by dumping overlapping SKUs to the market. We have one Intel with their isomethingmeaningless naming nomenclature and hundreds of same chips under different names, why we need same thing from AMD? I would understand everyones desire to get 16 core desktop from AMD with Zen 2 if Threadripper was never introduced, but it has been and its here.
It is very likely that 3700x will woop Intels top dog to the pulp, and then comes Zen 2 threadripper with higher clocks to completely wipe the floor with i9s or whatever Intel will bring if ever.
Its amazing to see all this personal customisation going on
Because Threadripper is a no-go unless you are a prosumer where its audience is.
Because Threadripper is expensive, power-hungry, needs special cooling and all of these make it clumsy and unwieldy.
Are we forgetting Intel, the elephant in the room with their low end chips. Id does not matter what AMD is pushing, it matter what intel is suggesting.
Why does AMD need to bring 16 core Ryzen, when they already have 12/16/32 core Threadripper? Why confuse the market by dumping overlapping SKUs to the market. We have one Intel with their isomethingmeaningless naming nomenclature and hundreds of same chips under different names, why we need same thing from AMD? I would understand everyones desire to get 16 core desktop from AMD with Zen 2 if Threadripper was never introduced, but it has been and its here.
It is very likely that 3700x will woop Intels top dog to the pulp, and then comes Zen 2 threadripper with higher clocks to completely wipe the floor with i9s or whatever Intel will bring if ever.
Its amazing to see all this personal customisation going on
Because if you can you bring a dominating force to a fight, not one just barely good enough.
You offer twice the cores for a slightly lower price.
Will look impressive if launched as proposed by you
1.)Ryzen 7 3800X 16C/32T ~ £500
2.)Ryzen 7 3800 16C/32T ~ £450
3.)Ryzen 7 3700X 12C/24T ~£400
4.)Ryzen 7 3700 12C/24T ~ £350
5.)Ryzen 5 3600X 8C/16T ~ £300
6.)Ryzen 5 3600 8C/16T ~ £250
7.)Ryzen 3 3500X 6C/12T ~ £200
8.)Ryzen 3 3500 6C/12T ~£150
A 16C mainstream part with a PCIE4 motherboard, yum if only!
And you believe 16core 32 thread high clocked desktop worthy Ryzen will not be expensive, high TDP which needs high end cooling, and not clumsy with various games having issues with 16+ threads? Oh and 32 threads on dual channel? It would be interesting
So you believe that 8 core Zen 2 clocked at say 4.5ghz will not be dominant against intels offerings? Intel already showed their hand with 9900K, and they are bleeding with pricing they MSRPd them at. Yet it still look pointless to everyone except 2-3 people in the market, even with Ryzen 2000 series.
And its so easy for you guys to wish AMD to release twice the cores for less money, but we need strong AMD with more money pumped in R&D, not the one which is selling their chips for peanuts just to satisfy few select people, just to prove that hey they can. Market woke up already, thanks to Ryzen.
Why is £500 peanuts? It's called marketing, and a show of force it makes life difficult for anyone to choose the competition if you have every base covered and then some. I'm pretty sure that brand awareness and word association is something that AMD would like when people say, fastest CPU for gaming, best CPU for productivity, best longevity, and high end enthusiast.
Also £500 16c is not twice the money, they sell 8c for less than £200... So yes.
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Brand awareness and clogging the market with pointless SKUs are two different things
As I said, 16 cores 32 threads on dual channel memory does not make sense. In order for it to make sense 4 channels required, that bumps tdp to levels where some of you do not like. They could have done 12 cores for am4, they had the tech, and could have priced it easily low enough, but they didn't. Enthusiast market which those 16 cores would aim at already know AMD and Ryzen, look at the sales of AMD chips at biggest retailers.
As I said, 16 cores 32 threads on dual channel memory does not make sense. In order for it to make sense 4 channels required, that bumps tdp to levels where some of you do not like. They could have done 12 cores for am4, they had the tech, and could have priced it easily low enough, but they didn't. Enthusiast market which those 16 cores would aim at already know AMD and Ryzen, look at the sales of AMD chips at biggest retailers.