I've got plenty, value is still very important to me. I could go and buy 10x 2080Tis tomorrow, but I'm not an idiot.
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Prices gone crazy again ? hasn't mining gone DEAD?
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If you make an offer to buy a house, a surveyor visits the house on your behalf to make sure you are not paying too much for it.
If you are, they down value it to it’s correct value and the bank won’t lend you the required amount to fulfill your ambitious offer.
Just because someone has agreed to pay the price does not mean it is at all worth it.
Of course the impact of such a daft decision were house prices are concerned can be financially disastrous - with graphics card prices, you are just an idiot but only a somewhat worse off idiot than you were before.
But you are still an idiot.
If you are, they down value it to it’s correct value and the bank won’t lend you the required amount to fulfill your ambitious offer.
Just because someone has agreed to pay the price does not mean it is at all worth it.
Of course the impact of such a daft decision were house prices are concerned can be financially disastrous - with graphics card prices, you are just an idiot but only a somewhat worse off idiot than you were before.
But you are still an idiot.
A 2080ti is purely a luxury item. If you want to compare it to something, try this;
http://www.selfridges.com/GB/en/cat...8BR600A5AYF14N2/?previewAttribute=Multi+brown
£2000 for what is essentially some material stitched together.
The only difference between the 2080ti and any other luxury good item is that it won't hold its value for long, but that is just the nature of computing in general. nVidia have taken their top tier cards and turned them into luxuries, it's as simple as that. We can see from the CPU market that competition at a lower price point seems to make little difference to prices once a company has set a price banding.
These prices are here to stay, I've been saying this for a while now. If you don't like it, buy a lower res monitor and a cheaper card and you can still enjoy PC gaming - or buy a console, or get a different hobby.
Welcome to the world of high performance gaming - only the wealthy need apply
http://www.selfridges.com/GB/en/cat...8BR600A5AYF14N2/?previewAttribute=Multi+brown
£2000 for what is essentially some material stitched together.
The only difference between the 2080ti and any other luxury good item is that it won't hold its value for long, but that is just the nature of computing in general. nVidia have taken their top tier cards and turned them into luxuries, it's as simple as that. We can see from the CPU market that competition at a lower price point seems to make little difference to prices once a company has set a price banding.
These prices are here to stay, I've been saying this for a while now. If you don't like it, buy a lower res monitor and a cheaper card and you can still enjoy PC gaming - or buy a console, or get a different hobby.
Welcome to the world of high performance gaming - only the wealthy need apply
Give over. I have never hidden the fact that I like NVidia but I also have no issue running AMD. I recommend AMD when it is right and I recommend NVidia when it is right. I buy what I can afford at the time and what is good for me. Your problem is you choose to ignore when I big up AMD and only see when I big up NVidia, so who is showing impartiality?
The day you run Crossfire "Big" Navi will melt many people's minds. And I will chuckle.
SLI and Crossfire can do one. Until it becomes a standard and microstutter is gone (even with G-Sync), multi cards are not an option for me.
A 2080ti is purely a luxury item.
It's not a luxury Item, it's a high volume mass produced add in board. Playing video games isn't a luxury hobby either.
Of course it is a luxury item and playing video games isn't a necessity, so that is also a luxury thing.
It's a hobby which is why you can choose to play video games on a console for a few hundred quid. That's not what we are discussing though is it? It's about choice at the end of the day.
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The graphics card market is more like the commodities market. £2000 handbags are only that price because they are painfully hand crafted one offs.
Buy them all!
So you own a £2000 handbag?
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I had 5 mins so I had a read of the thread just to find out what you're on about. I think you're both arguing with each other while not actually arguing with each other - running parallel and never even seeing each other. I'll give a quick shot at the main point of contention (while ignoring the childishness) and maybe correct me if either of you think I'm wrong.
Daru's side: If item A has a largely agreed value (let's say RRP to keep it simple) of £1000 and at some point goes on sale for £1500, it'd be common to call it overpriced - no?
Greg's side: Item A performs the job required and customer A is willing to pay the £1500 tag - therefore it's not overpriced because someone is willing to pay.
So you're really just arguing about what "overpriced" actually means. My personal take is that just because someone is willing to pay inflated prices doesn't mean it's not overpriced, but admittedly that's coming from someone who's reasonably poor so value for money (price : performance) is important to me. I can see Greg's side that an object's value is whatever someone is willing to pay for it, so if people are paying then it's not overpriced -- I just don't happen to agree with the sentiment (were I to have more 0's on my bank balance, I'm sure my sentiment would change)
Tl;dr - You're both right, you just come from different perspectives - arguing it won't change either of your minds but perhaps you can at least see each other's point, even if you don't agree.
I do get what he's saying, but I disagree. A willingness to pay cannot equate to being fairly priced, or value for money. A tin of beans isn't worth £3 just because I agreed to buy it. When people say card x is a ripoff, which this 1080ti clearly is, which the latest NV cards clearly are, Greg takes this as a personal assault on him, and launches into justifying the price, and justifying his own purchase. He admits what he's bought is over-priced, but he says he's happy with it, which I'm sure he is. What winds him up is people saying what he's bought is over-priced, when people continue to call out NV's pricing, he takes it so personally, as if people are telling him he can't spend his money how he likes, when no-one is saying that.
He gets frustrated and then starts saying people are jealous. If he's happy with what he's bought, and he admits himself it was over-priced, then why is he getting stressed about people saying cards are over-priced? I know he means when he says he hasn't been ripped off because he's bought it willingly, but it doesn't alter the fact that NV's latest are poor value for money.
At the end of the day, this is about brand loyalty something that absolutely baffles me and many others, how people will defend anything their favourite game dev releases, or the Apple cult.
Don't kid yourself - most are made in factories, churned out on a production line, much like your coveted GPU;
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...e-where-louis-vuitton-makes-its-italian-shoes
Mate, I said I agree the price is meh and even stated it myself in my buying decision but that doesn't mean I couldn't justify it to myself. I don't see it as a personal assault and far too old to get hung up on what some fella tells me over the internet. I even went to the point of saying as long as what we have does a good enough job for us, that is all that matters.
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No-one ever said you or others couldn't justify it, or weren't happy with what they bought, it's self-evident that they were. But certain GPU's are still over-priced looking at it objectively. The thread was about that, not about individuals and their cards.