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I'm in that boat. Stuck with Nvidia no matter what as recently bought an expensive Gsync monitor.
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AMD Pledges to Take On NVIDIA’s High-End Turing With 7nm Radeon GPUs in 2019
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I'm in that boat. Stuck with Nvidia no matter what as recently bought an expensive Gsync monitor.
Because you need AMD to bring Nvidia pricing down to sane level so you could buy them right?
No, so we have competition so that technologies are continued to be pushed and advanced. Look tt the CPU level, without AMD, I'd still be rocking a n Intel quad. I need AMD in the game.
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If Intel's graphic card in the future does turn out competitive (not that I think it will be anything great yet), people would have choice of graphic cards from 2 vendors for Adaptive Sync/Freesync monitor and TV vs just stucked with Nvidia's proprietary Gsync that doesn't even support TV (not counting the Gsync TV, as it's not supported by the big TV makers).
Gsync looks more and more like it would go the way of Nvidia's 3D-Vision...
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It won't take long for Intel to price their GPU's accordingly, that's one of the counter cases about their whole GPU venture.
Besides, they don't have the best people atm so I doubt they'll be competitive soon as a complete package.
AMD could pull a trick off if they can offer close to 2080 Ti performance without the RT stuff. But if NV move RT & DLSS forward and have it in the minds of the majority, unfortunately people may demand RT capabilities when buying a reasonably high end GPU, especially when we're talking possibly middle of next year for an AMD release. By that time it'll be getting closer to the next NV release - RT done better.
Besides, they don't have the best people atm so I doubt they'll be competitive soon as a complete package.
AMD could pull a trick off if they can offer close to 2080 Ti performance without the RT stuff. But if NV move RT & DLSS forward and have it in the minds of the majority, unfortunately people may demand RT capabilities when buying a reasonably high end GPU, especially when we're talking possibly middle of next year for an AMD release. By that time it'll be getting closer to the next NV release - RT done better.
Turing is not going to be superceeded until 2020 I reckon, which means for at least a year any and all RT capabilities are going to be at the woeful state they are now. But if more devs implement RT into their games and gamers decide they want what they see, that ties into AMD's statement about waiting for RT to be more mainstream and will pull the trigger on doing RT themselves.
AMD will of course be developing their own RT stuff now, whether they actually implement it will be determined by the market. But I'll eat my hat if Arcturus has zero RT capability.
1080Ti performance isn't to be sniffed at. Above 1080Ti performance is the stupidly priced turing cards that most of us just will not spend a grand on. If they can match the 1080Ti performance for 500quid then happy days. Just because the 20** cards came out doesn't mean the 1080Ti has gotten poor at gaming. 1080Ti is PLENTY performance for most on here, not all but most.
I totally agree. I'd prefer to see the market shift towards new cards arriving at 1080ti performance levels but a lot cheaper because as you say, for the vast majority it's more than good enough. If AMD came to market with a 7nm £450 1080ti I'd be more than happy, especially as the bulk of the pc market consists of console ports and indie games.
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Couldn't care less about Ray Tracing. My shadows and reflections have looked more than acceptable these last god knows how many years. Just make a new card that puts out big numbers, make it push 100fps at 4k and drop it at a sensible price.
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a new AMD card with 1080ti performance in 2019? sure i would take that.... but for £500?
for that price it would have to have Ray tracing support as well however because you can get an RTX 2080 for £580 right now!.
Because you need AMD to bring Nvidia pricing down to sane level so you could buy them right?
Exactly! Im not sure why people pray for AMD to bring out the same level performance hardware, and then expect them to sell it for half the price.
Yep, it would not be good enough. People forget that Nvidia may well have the 3000 series out by then, particularly if AMD do actually bring out something competitive with the 20 series.
Add to the fact that 1080Ti level GPU power will almost certainly be the level of performance that the next gen of consoles will be able to launch with in 2020, on a single chip APU, 1080Ti raster performance levels will still be relevant for the next 5yrs, at least.
AMD should forget about ray tracing for now, traditional raster based graphics at 1080Ti levels for £350-£450 would get them back in the game, and then of course there is Intel waiting in the wings.
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I think 2020 too for NV but I think if AMD release a non-RT card the middle of next year, many may just want RT by then so could end up waiting for NV's next gen, especially if NV and the game devs get working the current RT into a decent state - it's still early days yet. Will be interesting to see anyway and NV do need some competition
.AMD are actually doing okay with RT it's jut they haven't enabled it for gaming cards in DX. Their open Radeon Rays has been going fine for a while now and the whole reason Nvidia chose to use GIGARAYS in their marketing was because AMD were using Mega Rays in theirs. I would be surprised if DirectX RT wasn't supported by AMD's next gen flagships at least.
Next gen consoles are very likely to have some RT stuff, so would be surprise if AMD hadn't been developing that for some time.
I mean it basically has to be in them from the start, because consoles won't get their hardware changed at feature level until another generation.
And those next-gen console games are also when it's going to start appear more widely also in PC games.
Anway right now there's need for "horsepower" to get good frame rates at high resolutions without any additional "frosting" more...
Without paying arm, leg and half the internal organs.
To then reward Intel who's been milking consumers for years for barely any advance?
(+not forgetting all its shady/straight criminal tactics in the past to prevent AMD from becoming competitive)
Now what was that saying...
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is
Yeah, I forgot about the DirectX API when I posted. Could be interesting to enable it and see Radeon Rays run on Instinct MI60's extra compute hardware.
7nm Vega gaming card confirmed
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No you cant get a RTX2080 for £580. At that price its almost becoming worth its value...almost....maybe £499 and bring the RTX2080ti to £750....thatll do.
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ok i just checked, you are right, the offer has expired however a few days ago you could order one for that price from a competitor, which i wont link. but i am 100% certain it WAS this price.
So it never was an actual new baseline price then...
IMO AMD will never succeed in the GPU space again. Despite what they offer. The fanboi'ismness is just too ingrained in the kids now. NVIDIA = Good, AMD = BAD.
The only reason 95% of people want an AMD comeback is for cheaper Nvidia products. Which just doesnt work.