UN Migration Pact - Criticising Migration = Hate Crime

[D.P.]

Not quite sure how ypu got commuism from my statement.

Your main complaint seems to be about Capitalism. Communism is the main alternative out there, removing the pyramid scheme.

What you say about emigration being a benefiit to the source nation may be true in some cases. But lets look at that more closely. If the source nation is somewhere highly skilled such as eastern europe then it leaves villages decimated of their younger generation. They may well send money back but who is looking after their elderly while they are here? Several easutern european cluntries have expressed concern over such migrations.

So let's look at underdeveloped nations too. A migrant from Africa (for example) is likely to gain a lot from migrating to a more advanced nation. But unlike in those studies I think they are far less likely to return home and therefore this benefuts wont be realised at home. They are also unlikely to offer much advantage to a new host nation apart from providing unskilled labour. That's exactly the sort of labour we won't need in 20 years due to automation.

perhaps you should actually read the articles referenced in wikipedia to find out the truth, rather than state your own perceptions of reality.

 

[Hades]

Your main complaint seems to be about Capitalism. Communism is the main alternative out there, removing the pyramid scheme.




perhaps you should actually read the articles referenced in wikipedia to find out the truth, rather than state your own perceptions of reality.

I will indeed read those articles when I am not at work. I would love to right now but am not able to.

Capitalism doesn't have to be a pyramid scheme. It isn't so starkly black and white. Communism isn't the only other option either. It's quite funny being accused of wanting communism as I am centre right.

 

[StriderX]

Capitalism doesn't have to be a pyramid scheme.

Lol yes it must be. The last century is proof enough of it's pyramidicity. It's basic human nature to be equally as selfish as to be selfless, it provides the failure seemingly inherent in everything we do as a sort of self-balancing.

All things fail because people aren't willing to admit the obvious truth behind it all. There is no system that will only have selfless functionality, it's impossible.

 

[RaohNS]

Inequality is not a bad thing Strider.

Equal is Unfair by Yaron Brooke.

Systemic frameworks that promote inequality are, but the opportunity being equal is not.

The big issue is that at any given time around 10% of the population have to be supported. A further 20-30% also need support (children) on top of that. The remaining 60-70% are in a system they can operate in.

 

[StriderX]

The problem with that is that the opportunity is never equal, if you don't know someone in a given industry/company you're less likely to be employed full stop. Social mobility is dead in the water currently and the only thing that will get it moving again is for the rich to realise their largely peaceful existence is about to crash into the ditch. (again, for the umpteenth time in history)

 

[Hades]

I come from a working class background. I didn't go to university and went straight to work (although back then it was less expected that everyone did). I've worked my way up through hard work and self learning just like most people.

I, like many others, have far more opportunity to advance myself nowadays. If I want to learn a new skill I can do so easily from the comfort of my own home. If I want to contact someone it is far easier now than it ever has been. If I want to start my own business it is far easier to do so than it has ever been. My opportunities are greater than they have ever been.

The same applies to others. Yes there are a small number of very rich and influencial people. But they are vastly in the minority.

Equalty of opportunity is greater now than it has ever been for most people. It just doesnt seem that way because the very rich are richer than they have ever been.

 

[Roar87]

The problem with that is that the opportunity is never equal, if you don't know someone in a given industry/company you're less likely to be employed full stop. Social mobility is dead in the water currently and the only thing that will get it moving again is for the rich to realise their largely peaceful existence is about to crash into the ditch. (again, for the umpteenth time in history)

The rich aren't going to change, period. If you're poor you can either sit and make excuses or you can find a way to win. There's no one you can vote for and nothing you can do to change that. If you killed everyone who was rich and distributed their money evenly, in 20 years you'd have a new set of rich people and you'd be back to square one.

 

[StriderX]

I come from a working class background. I didn't go to university and went straight to work (although back then it was less expected that everyone did). I've worked my way up through hard work and self learning just like most people.

I, like many others, have far more opportunity to advance myself nowadays. If I want to learn a new skill I can do so easily from the comfort of my own home. If I want to contact someone it is far easier now than it ever has been. If I want to start my own business it is far easier to do so than it has ever been. My opportunities are greater than they have ever been.

The same applies to others. Yes there are a small number of very rich and influencial people. But they are vastly in the minority.

Equalty of opportunity is greater now than it has ever been for most people. It just doesnt seem that way because the very rich are richer than they have ever been.

I don't disagree, but this would turn into a large pointless discussion about how survivable these businesses are in the great swath of equitable ones that already exist. The high street is by-and-large already dead, so no sense in offering something there if it's going to collapse in a years time (especially restaurants...oof). Anyone else will be online, but the profit is usually destroyed by heavy return's, dependent on what kind of business it is. The fact is, it's down to people's money and the UK is skittish right now.

Another issue is the problem of making businesses purely to sell them off, which is great for the founder, but awful for any sense of "British" innovation (Ala ARM, Westland, Westinghouse, Cadbury's, the entire car industry)...

The rich aren't going to change, period. If you're poor you can either sit and make excuses or you can find a way to win. There's no one you can vote for and nothing you can do to change that. If you killed everyone who was rich and distributed their money evenly, in 20 years you'd have a new set of rich people and you'd be back to square one.

/claps all round

It's going to happen, no sense in ignoring it. Just because the French have aristocrats today, doesn't mean it wasn't awful when they were gifted a swift guillotined end centuries ago. The rich have become largely complacent and using boring "duh immigrants" to push people away from the realisation that their biggest problem isn't each other. Just take a gaunt look at the level of intelligence most rich people espouse, it's far below what you'd expect (usually because they don't really need to know anything if daddy paid for everything).

Only takes a few more recessions now for it to boil over, because hey-ho someone thought it would be hilarious to have the prospects of today's generation be worse than the previous, it's all fire and brimstone after that.

 

[Mason-]

I don't disagree, but this would turn into a large pointless discussion about how survivable these businesses are in the great swath of equitable ones that already exist. The high street is by-and-large already dead, so no sense in offering something there if it's going to collapse in a years time (especially restaurants...oof). Anyone else will be online, but the profit is usually destroyed by heavy return's, dependent on what kind of business it is. The fact is, it's down to people's money and the UK is skittish right now.

Another issue is the problem of making businesses purely to sell them off, which is great for the founder, but awful for any sense of "British" innovation (Ala ARM, Westland, Westinghouse, Cadbury's, the entire car industry)...



/claps all round

It's going to happen, no sense in ignoring it. Just because the French have aristocrats today, doesn't mean it wasn't awful when they were gifted a swift guillotined end centuries ago. The rich have become largely complacent and using boring "duh immigrants" to push people away from the realisation that their biggest problem isn't each other. Just take a gaunt look at the level of intelligence most rich people espouse, it's far below what you'd expect (usually because they don't really need to know anything if daddy paid for everything).

Only takes a few more recessions now for it to boil over, because hey-ho someone thought it would be hilarious to have the prospects of today's generation be worse than the previous, it's all fire and brimstone after that.

ARM, Westland, Westinghouse, Cadburys and 'the entire car industry' were not "made purely to sell them off". Are you delusional?

The car industry died off because of globalism. Why employ people to work in factories here when you have to pay people a "minimum wage" and adhere to god knows how many standards when you can get them made in some other country where you can pay them peanuts with no standards, import them back into the UK and charge people full whack for them? That's got nothing to do with General Motors being created 'purely to be sold off'. Also how has ARM been 'sold off' considering since it was sold they've pretty much doubled their head count in the UK? Ignorance abound.

 

[StriderX]

ARM, Westland, Westinghouse, Cadburys and 'the entire car industry' were not "made purely to sell them off". Are you delusional?

The car industry died off because of globalism. Why employ people to work in factories here when you have to pay people a "minimum wage" and adhere to god knows how many standards when you can get them made in some other country where you can pay them peanuts with no standards, import them back into the UK and charge people full whack for them? That's got nothing to do with General Motors being created 'purely to be sold off'. Also how has ARM been 'sold off' considering since it was sold they've pretty much doubled their head count in the UK? Ignorance abound.

They were sold off regardless, it doesn't matter if that was the goal or not, but they're plenty of entrepreneurs who only want to get big enough to do so (as i said, it's not inherently awful).

And da fuq is that about the car industry? we do still operate a car industry, i meant purely British cars died off, mostly because they were ****. For a country seemingly full to the brim with nationalist weirdo's, it ******* hate's itself all the same if it just ends up in the hands of other countries (our rail system for one... being in the hands of other nation's publically owned providers).

 

[Mason-]

They were sold off regardless, it doesn't matter if that was the goal or not, but they're plenty of entrepreneurs who only want to get big enough to do so (as i said, it's not inherently awful).

Another issue is the problem of making businesses purely to sell them off

purely to sell them off

It was entirely your point.

And my point that global capitalism killed the UK manufacturing industry, not those industries being built purely to be sold off, still stands.

 

[StriderX]

It was entirely your point.

And my point that global capitalism killed the UK manufacturing industry, not those industries being built purely to be sold off, still stands.

Eh no, i said it was an issue, not that it was inherently the only thing anyone ever does in the country, thanks for putting **** in my mouth. You're really awesome.

 

[Mason-]

Eh no, i said it was an issue, not that it was inherently the only thing anyone ever does in the country, thanks for putting **** in my mouth. You're really awesome.

PURELY

"making businesses purely to sell them off"

And then list a bunch of companies that were never made purely for the purpose of being sold off.

Maybe if you mean something else you should write what you really mean then?

 

[StriderX]

Even if they weren't made to be sold off, they still magically are because we hate anything being British, so it's worthless saying otherwise regardless.

 

[Mason-]

They were never made to be sold off. They were made, people here demanded higher salaries, supply changes improved meaning you could produce stuff abroad rather than here, dodgy governments such as China started doing ******** like subsidising their steel industry to price out the rest of the world. All this leads to it not being viable to employ Gary, Steve and Barry at £10 an hour in 2018 to whack some steel into the shape of a bumper, the steel coming from Coal mines in the UK, pressed and rolled in Sheffield and moved to the car factory all in the UK employing people in the UK. Buy the steel abroad, and get it manufactured by someone else abroad for 10p an hour. Meanwhile give 'foreign aid' to developed countries so that they'll put a 'token factory' in the UK to hire some UK people to get the unemployment figures down.

Do you think the sale of ARM being permitted to a Japanese conglomerate, and then ARM going on a massive hiring spree straight after in the UK is a coincidence? You don't think the government would have mandated that to allow the sale to go through to guarantee british jobs and to lower unemployment figures?

The reason UK manufacturing is dead is because it's not financially viable to manufacture things purely in the UK.

 

[StriderX]

They were never made to be sold off. They were made, people here demanded higher salaries, supply changes improved meaning you could produce stuff abroad rather than here, dodgy governments such as China started doing ******** like subsidising their steel industry to price out the rest of the world. All this leads to it not being viable to employ Gary, Steve and Barry at £10 an hour in 2018 to whack some steel into the shape of a bumper, the steel coming from Coal mines in the UK, pressed and rolled in Sheffield and moved to the car factory all in the UK employing people in the UK. Buy the steel abroad, and get it manufactured by someone else abroad for 10p an hour. Meanwhile give 'foreign aid' to developed countries so that they'll put a 'token factory' in the UK to hire some UK people to get the unemployment figures down.

Do you think the sale of ARM being permitted to a Japanese conglomerate, and then ARM going on a massive hiring spree straight after in the UK is a coincidence? You don't think the government would have mandated that to allow the sale to go through to guarantee british jobs and to lower unemployment figures?

The value is in the IP, employment is entirely secondary to that, and just proves how aggravatingly self-defeating this entire theater is.

 

[Roar87]

It's going to happen, no sense in ignoring it. Just because the French have aristocrats today, doesn't mean it wasn't awful when they were gifted a swift guillotined end centuries ago. The rich have become largely complacent and using boring "duh immigrants" to push people away from the realisation that their biggest problem isn't each other. Just take a gaunt look at the level of intelligence most rich people espouse, it's far below what you'd expect (usually because they don't really need to know anything if daddy paid for everything).

Only takes a few more recessions now for it to boil over, because hey-ho someone thought it would be hilarious to have the prospects of today's generation be worse than the previous, it's all fire and brimstone after that.

Why do you hate rich people so much? Do you want to see people who have been successful in life guillotined because you perhaps haven't? Why don't you use their success as an inspiration instead of an excuse?

 

[Mason-]

The value is in the IP, employment is entirely secondary to that, and just proves how aggravatingly self-defeating this entire theater is.

The IP is still owned by ARM... besides if you're worried about the IP being leaked or what not. The product is licensed to manufacturers. They have the RTL. If they wanted to sell it on the black market they could. But good luck selling it, what massive market is there where ARMs IP would not be protected? ARMs products end up in smartphones and tablets. The big markets for that are developed western nations, in which there are IP laws. If "Mr Backwards Semiconductor" company gets the RTLon the black market and produces chips, sure they can sell 10,000 of them in some crap country, if they try to sell it in USA or UK they will get shafted for selling ARM IP without a license.

A Japanese conglomerate owning ARM doesn't stop it being a huge player in Hardware IP. IP only has worth in countries where the laws protect it.

 

[Deluxe1]

Belgiums pm has resigned as a result of signing up to this abomination.

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

During a session of the World Youth Forum that was convened in Sharm Al-Sheikh, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi was asked about Western countries preventing the entrance of people from undeveloped countries. He answered: "Instead of asking me why the West closes its gates to us, you should ask yourself why the people of Afghanistan don't take better care of their country... [The same is true] in Pakistan, in Egypt, in Syria, in Libya, in Iraq, in Yemen, and in Somalia." He said that people in those countries have been fighting amongst themselves for decades, so it is unreasonable for them to expect to be welcomed by Western countries while keeping their own culture and work ethic.

A world leader with some common sense for once.