76 trans children at one school

What if you teach a kid, constantly tell them, that they dont need to choose and all their peers are in the same boat, wtf do you think is gonna be the outcome? Child abuse right here.

How is it child abuse? Kids just aren't being told "you are male" or "you are female, you will comply too the norm". Being a teenager is tough for some kids, there is all kinds of **** going on physically, psychologically/emotionally. Why not give them space to express themselves any way they feel they want to? When I was a teenager (long time ago) I felt my parents generation didn't understand my generation. In someone ways I was right, in others wrong. We shouldn't be pushing "our" norms on this generation of kids. They'll find their way, some will look back years later and laugh at what they were like. Others will be grateful they were allowed to be themselves at such a young age. When I was a teenager in the 80s being gay still carried a huge stigma. I have 3 cousins who are gay, all through school and teenage years they had to pretend to be straight to comply. I know with 2 of them that those years were hell. They obviously knew they were different but had no support from society, actually the complete opposite and I include my generation in that. They would have been bullied horrifically if they had come out. Now kids don't feel they have to fit into stereotypes, that is no bad thing imo.
 
How is it child abuse? Kids just aren't being told "you are male" or "you are female, you will comply too the norm". Being a teenager is tough for some kids, there is all kinds of **** going on physically, psychologically/emotionally. Why not give them space to express themselves any way they feel they want to? When I was a teenager (long time ago) I felt my parents generation didn't understand my generation. In someone ways I was right, in others wrong. We shouldn't be pushing "our" norms on this generation of kids. They'll find their way, some will look back years later and laugh at what they were like. Others will be grateful they were allowed to be themselves at such a young age. When I was a teenager in the 80s being gay still carried a huge stigma. I have 3 cousins who are gay, all through school and teenage years they had to pretend to be straight to comply. I know with 2 of them that those years were hell. They obviously knew they were different but had no support from society, actually the complete opposite and I include my generation in that. They would have been bullied horrifically if they had come out. Now kids don't feel they have to fit into stereotypes, that is no bad thing imo.

My sister and cousin are gay, i dont need your gay lecture.
I have zero problems with gay people, dont think i do.
when i was a teenager in the 90s being gay was a big deal too. Probably still is.
 
I think there is a distinct difference between providing an environment free from the need to conform with gender stereotypes and facilitating people with body dysmorphia to mutilate themselves.
 
How is it child abuse? Kids just aren't being told "you are male" or "you are female, you will comply too the norm". Being a teenager is tough for some kids, there is all kinds of **** going on physically, psychologically/emotionally. Why not give them space to express themselves any way they feel they want to? When I was a teenager (long time ago) I felt my parents generation didn't understand my generation. In someone ways I was right, in others wrong. We shouldn't be pushing "our" norms on this generation of kids. They'll find their way, some will look back years later and laugh at what they were like. Others will be grateful they were allowed to be themselves at such a young age. When I was a teenager in the 80s being gay still carried a huge stigma. I have 3 cousins who are gay, all through school and teenage years they had to pretend to be straight to comply. I know with 2 of them that those years were hell. They obviously knew they were different but had no support from society, actually the complete opposite and I include my generation in that. They would have been bullied horrifically if they had come out. Now kids don't feel they have to fit into stereotypes, that is no bad thing imo.
Some aren't being given the freedom to find their way though, they are being told they need to have medical intervention (drugs and surgery) as the primary solution.
 
How is it child abuse? Kids just aren't being told "you are male" or "you are female, you will comply too the norm". Being a teenager is tough for some kids, there is all kinds of **** going on physically, psychologically/emotionally. Why not give them space to express themselves any way they feel they want to?

Well we agree. That's why we're very concerned about TRA groups like Mermaids in our schools. They're all about gender conformity. In my day, we fought so that a girl could be an engineer or a mechanic without being seen as less of a girl. Our goal was to say your sex doesn't define what you want to be or who you can love. Now you have little girls coming home from school saying "I have a boy brain" because she was interested in science or karate and some Mermaids presentation has told her she has the wrong brain for her body. And we see soaring numbers of young girls would just grow up to be normal, non mastectomy-having lesbians taking courses of hormones and wearing breast binders because being a "boy" is more acceptable than accepting their sexuality. If you doubt any of this, I linked examples up above. That's what's pernicious about current trans activism - it's not about accepting yourself for who you are but the exact opposite. When I see someone showing a class of eight year olds a big board with pretty princesses at one end and cowboys at the other and asking children where on the gender spectrum they are, I don't think that's letting kids express themselves how they want. I think it's telling kids their bodies are wrong if their interests or affections don't match gender stereotypes.

When I was a teenager (long time ago) I felt my parents generation didn't understand my generation. In someone ways I was right, in others wrong. We shouldn't be pushing "our" norms on this generation of kids. They'll find their way, some will look back years later and laugh at what they were like. Others will be grateful they were allowed to be themselves at such a young age. When I was a teenager in the 80s being gay still carried a huge stigma. I have 3 cousins who are gay, all through school and teenage years they had to pretend to be straight to comply. I know with 2 of them that those years were hell. They obviously knew they were different but had no support from society, actually the complete opposite and I include my generation in that. They would have been bullied horrifically if they had come out. Now kids don't feel they have to fit into stereotypes, that is no bad thing imo.

Except trans isn't like homosexuality. You don't "catch gayness". You might feel slightly more comfortable coming out if you're not the only one but it's part of who you are. We don't see that with trans identifying children. We see social contagion. Clusters of children becoming trans together. Children who become trans after being groomed to be trans on forums. I'm really not kidding - I could link you discussions about "eggs" (vernacular for a kid who doesn't yet identify as trans but can be persuaded to be) or peer pressure not to decide they're not trans and told they're traitors if they do. I never saw posters and guidance packs given to schools that actively encourage children to identify as trans but Scottish Trans guidance to schools shows exactly that. The TRA movement presents itself as being analogous to the gay rights movement, but in many ways it's directly antagonistic. Hence so many Lesbian and Gay people (but particularly Lesbians) wanting to dissociate trans from LGB. Coming out as a gay person as a young man or woman is about accepting yourself for who you are and being what nature made you. It's not about starting a lifetime of hormone treatments, puberty blockers, surgery and becoming infertile, at an age when you are in no position to have really understood how your body is changing or who you've decided to be.

Sorry to rant, but I have a feeling you are a nice person who naturally assumes it's much like gay rights and acceptance because that's how it's presented by TRA groups. If so, then like me who also was initially very positive towards such efforts, you'll probably change your mind when you see it close up. Gender Dysphoria correlates with Autism, just as anorexia does. It's a body dysmorphia disorder, just like anorexia is. Much higher in girls, just like anorexia is. And just like there were "pro-ana" and "thinspiration" sites, we now have evangelists for "transitioning". Egged on by its overlap with autogynephillia fetishism. But like anorexia, Gender Dysphoria is a diagnostic condition that requires support and treatment, not active encouragement which is what groups like Mermaids are doing.

Children are being actively harmed by this movement. It's not what you think.

(link for anyone who wants an introduction and actual stats on all this)
 
Well we agree. That's why we're very concerned about TRA groups like Mermaids in our schools. They're all about gender conformity. In my day, we fought so that a girl could be an engineer or a mechanic without being seen as less of a girl. Our goal was to say your sex doesn't define what you want to be or who you can love. Now you have little girls coming home from school saying "I have a boy brain" because she was interested in science or karate and some Mermaids presentation has told her she has the wrong brain for her body. And we see soaring numbers of young girls would just grow up to be normal, non mastectomy-having lesbians taking courses of hormones and wearing breast binders because being a "boy" is more acceptable than accepting their sexuality. If you doubt any of this, I linked examples up above. That's what's pernicious about current trans activism - it's not about accepting yourself for who you are but the exact opposite. When I see someone showing a class of eight year olds a big board with pretty princesses at one end and cowboys at the other and asking children where on the gender spectrum they are, I don't think that's letting kids express themselves how they want. I think it's telling kids their bodies are wrong if their interests or affections don't match gender stereotypes.



Except trans isn't like homosexuality. You don't "catch gayness". You might feel slightly more comfortable coming out if you're not the only one but it's part of who you are. We don't see that with trans identifying children. We see social contagion. Clusters of children becoming trans together. Children who become trans after being groomed to be trans on forums. I'm really not kidding - I could link you discussions about "eggs" (vernacular for a kid who doesn't yet identify as trans but can be persuaded to be) or peer pressure not to decide they're not trans and told they're traitors if they do. I never saw posters and guidance packs given to schools that actively encourage children to identify as trans but Scottish Trans guidance to schools shows exactly that. The TRA movement presents itself as being analogous to the gay rights movement, but in many ways it's directly antagonistic. Hence so many Lesbian and Gay people (but particularly Lesbians) wanting to dissociate trans from LGB. Coming out as a gay person as a young man or woman is about accepting yourself for who you are and being what nature made you. It's not about starting a lifetime of hormone treatments, puberty blockers, surgery and becoming infertile, at an age when you are in no position to have really understood how your body is changing or who you've decided to be.

Sorry to rant, but I have a feeling you are a nice person who naturally assumes it's much like gay rights and acceptance because that's how it's presented by TRA groups. If so, then like me who also was initially very positive towards such efforts, you'll probably change your mind when you see it close up. Gender Dysphoria correlates with Autism, just as anorexia does. It's a body dysmorphia disorder, just like anorexia is. Much higher in girls, just like anorexia is. And just like there were "pro-ana" and "thinspiration" sites, we now have evangelists for "transitioning". Egged on by its overlap with autogynephillia fetishism. But like anorexia, Gender Dysphoria is a diagnostic condition that requires support and treatment, not active encouragement which is what groups like Mermaids are doing.

Children are being actively harmed by this movement. It's not what you think.

(link for anyone who wants an introduction and actual stats on all this)

TBH not having kids I haven't followed this subject in depth. I have one friend who has fully made the change from male to female, she is about 11 years into her new life and know 2 others who are more acquaintances than friends that are on the way but still post op. I like to keep an open mind on these subjects, I remember conservatives/the right accusing people of trying to "turn" kids gay, this kinda sounds a bit like that. Hey you might be right and yes no one should be trying to indoctrinate kids into anything, be it religion, trans or any other ideas that are better left till adulthood.
 
How was I lecturing you? You said it was child abuse, I simply disagreed with you.
Sorry I took it as an example of I know more gays than you, thus I'm more Informed in this subject.
It's nonsense, dangerous, stupid projection of political agenda on kids that literally know no nothing and are used as pawns.
 
How is it child abuse? Kids just aren't being told "you are male" or "you are female, you will comply too the norm". Being a teenager is tough for some kids, there is all kinds of **** going on physically, psychologically/emotionally. Why not give them space to express themselves any way they feel they want to? [..]

That's not what this is. That's pretty much the opposite of what this is. Removing imposed ideas of gender would be giving people freedom to be themselves. This is the opposite - it's about making imposed ideas of gender even stronger by making them completely synonymous with sex to such an extent that people are being told that if they want to be themselves they must be whatever sex is associated with however they are. It's sexist stereotyping to the max.

It's also a lie. A male person is male regardless of what their gender is. A female person is female regardless of what their gender is. On top of that lie there's another - gender is very far indeed from being a binary state or at most a handful of discrete groups. It's not even a single spectrum. It's a multitude of spectrums and every person is on different points on different spectrums and moves positions on different spectrums at different times and in different circumstances. Frankly, gender isn't a useful concept. It's mostly just artificial anyway and the parts that aren't artificial are only trends and thus inapplicable to any person. Height, for example, is actually gendered. That's not artificially imposed. But it's still irrelevant to any individual. A woman who's 6 inches taller than the average for women isn't necessarily any less feminine than a woman who's the average height for women.

There was more freedom of the type you refer to decades ago, when I was a child. I sometimes played dress-up in my grandma's clothes and jewellery. Nobody cared. That was extremely feminine, but nobody said that I was only allowed to do it if I pretended I was really a girl. A boy was allowed to do feminine things to at least some extent. My sister played with toy cars, climbed trees and buildings. Nobody cared. That was very masculine in those days, but nobody said that she was only allowed to do it if she pretended she was really a boy.

Now kids don't feel they have to fit into stereotypes, that is no bad thing imo

Which all this is opposing. They're demanding that people fit into stereotypes even more than in the past. We had a brief period of time moving towards more equality and freedom and now we're moving away from both, full steam ahead, and the concepts of equality, tolerance, diversity, freedom, liberalism and all that are being utterly destroyed by being infected and corrupted into their opposites. That's what the regressive left is all about. It's doubleplusgood blackwhite Newspeak. Minitru would be proud!
 
I wonder how many have reverted to their god given gender, after being off school for a bit?

I feel so sorry for the kids at that school, they must have awful parents/teachers.

Kids need proper role models.
 
It's not just schools though if a kid is unfortunate enough to have pink/purple haired parents who spend all day virtue signalling on social media then chances are they will be being encouraged to act like the opposite gender at home. Having a transgender kid is the height of coolness in left wing circles, it's like how everyone gets tattoos or sun tans to fit in with the trendy gang, get attention and appear cool. The trouble is the impact of it is much bigger and it's being commited on others - vulnerable young children who legally aren't even allowed to decide themselves to get a tattoo or go on a sunbed because they are deemed to be not responsible enough to make that decision and for a parent to do it to them would be considered abuse.
 
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I can understand why this is done.
stick 1 trans kid in a school of non trans kids and he/she gets bullied if they open about it.

In adult life people with lets say "unusual" likes and behaviour tend to find each other and hang together, online communities and such.

I suppose the question is should a child be allowed the freedom to identify themselves in that way or should they be forced to society norms until they adults. If its the former then this school is ok I reckon.

We already accept things like all muslim schools.
 
It's not just schools though if a kid is unfortunate enough to have pink/purple haired parents who spend all day virtue signalling on social media then chances are they will be being encouraged to act like the opposite gender at home. Having a transgender kid is the height of coolness in left wing circles, it's like how everyone gets tattoos or sun tans to fit in with the trendy gang, get attention and appear cool. The trouble is the impact of it is much bigger and it's being commited on others - vulnerable young children who legally aren't even allowed to decide themselves to get a tattoo or go on a sunbed because they are deemed to be not responsible enough to make that decision and for a parent to do it to them would be considered abuse.

I wish I could dismiss this as too absurd to happen, but the founder of Mermaids took her son to Thailand to be castrated at the age of 16. Mermaids has received hundreds of thousands of Lottery funding to push its agenda in schools. The parents of Jazz Jennings led their child to be "transgender" at the age of five years old. Here is a genuine post on a trans community forum by a mother who's son "transitioned" at the age of 4yo and she's now seeking advice because he is reluctant to take the puberty blockers she thinks he should take to avoid going through a male puberty that would interfere with him thinking he's a girl. Note the replies supporting the mother who is pushing this!

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They're kids, they probably think it's hilarious.

Some do. But most are pretty messed up. It's not for nothing that autistic children who struggle with social interaction identify as trans at a much higher rate. And for teenage girls who are usually more cliquey and subject to peer pressure than boys (especially when it comes to sexuality), they identify at a rate 11x higher. You can see how it appeals - here's a child that doesn't quite "get" social interaction and feels awkward and different. Suddenly someone presents them not only with a socially acceptable reason for that, but a set of rules (gender stereotypes) for behaviour with which to "fit in". They're even praised and made to feel special for their new identity. This isn't a healthy response. Nor is it rooted in reality - it's a lie.
 
The kids in that discussion will end up messed up and hating their parents, almost guaranteed.

Instead of trying to steer them in to normality they are encouraging a fantasy (the parents' fantasy).
 
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I can understand why this is done.
stick 1 trans kid in a school of non trans kids and he/she gets bullied if they open about it.

In adult life people with lets say "unusual" likes and behaviour tend to find each other and hang together, online communities and such.

I suppose the question is should a child be allowed the freedom to identify themselves in that way or should they be forced to society norms until they adults. If its the former then this school is ok I reckon.

We already accept things like all muslim schools.


Actually, I have some pretty strong reservations about faith schools as well. You can find me elsewhere on these forums talking about young girls being forced to wear hijabs as part of their school uniform in Bradford schools - I think that's pretty harmful too. But lets stay on topic. You talk about freedom to identify how they wish. This is the problem - as others have said, it's not what you think. There's even a term for this - "Peak Trans". It's that moment where a person goes from thinking "kids should be allowed to be who they want, of course I support this trans charity" to "this person in our school is advising young boys to 'get **** and suck ****' as their message?" and "kids are being given drugs that will render them infertile for life?" This is Zinia Jones. He has been invited to speak to government members on trans issues and has been a guest in schools to speak to children. In his own words, he advised a boy who was questioning whether or not he was trans to "get **** (breasts) early, suck **** (male genitalia)". Here he is in his own words on trans sexuality:


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This person is being invited to provide GUIDANCE to questioning children!

This movement exhibits many of the traits of a cult - guilt tripping if you leave, teachings that are in contradiction to reality, manipulation of statistics, creation of enemy outsiders ("TERFS"), creating separation between members and those close to them who would be their natural support. Here's a response to a young woman on a TRA forum who initially started identifying as a man and now wishes to detransition, i.e. thinks she might be a girl after all. Count the cult markers in this alone. (Don't be weak, don't betray, don't listen to those who disagree...).

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If it were about boys being allowed to wear skirts and make-up (although girls aren't allowed to!) then most people wouldn't care much. And many people still think it is because that's how the TRAs present it - as children being free to express their true selves. But it's quite the opposite. It's about gender conformity and confusing young children and about sexual interest. It's scary as **** and thankfully people are now becoming aware of that.
 
it really upsets/annoys me :( irrationally and by an unproportionate amount.

The instinct to protect children is one of our most basic instincts. And imo, about as rational as it gets. You're not alone in finding this upsetting. I have a number of friends who have commented to me how if they'd been growing up today, they'd probably have been picked up as trans because they were awkward or had "boy" interests or were a lesbian. This is scary as Hell.
 
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