Latest Gillette ad suggests their customers are broken, toxic and need "fixing" through feminism

[Tom_ed1987]

Interestingly they do appear to be interfering with the likes/dislikes on the video - I just refreshed it & 4k dislikes had been removed.
Like the advert itself, their method for managing it hasn't been thought through

 

[gettothechopper]

Interestingly they do appear to be interfering with the likes/dislikes on the video - I just refreshed it & 4k dislikes had been removed.
Like the advert itself, their method for managing it hasn't been thought through

youtube remove bot induced likes / dislikes

 

[Janesy B]

Interestingly they do appear to be interfering with the likes/dislikes on the video - I just refreshed it & 4k dislikes had been removed.
Like the advert itself, their method for managing it hasn't been thought through

No they are not, youtube view and like counts are sporadic depending on the server returning the result - there isn't a live database of likes, each cluster of servers will upload their like counts and every so often they will sync. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY_2gElt3SA

 

[glenimp617]

If a person says no, they mean no

 

[Akagi]

Ha.

 

[labbby]

I'm not sure who that guy is but the way im reading it (could easily be wrong) he is an Imam that understands the issues with his faith and is making a point.

A very good point actually. If Gillette believes in womens equal rights and femiminism why did they not mention any of the issues women face that the imam listed.

I mean,am i getting the wrong end of the stick with the post ?

 

[Akagi]

I'm not sure who that guy is but the way im reading it (could easily be wrong) he is an Imam that understands the issues with his faith and is making a point.

A very good point actually. If Gillette believes in womens equal rights and femiminism why did they not mention any of the issues women face that the imam listed.

I mean,am i getting the wrong end of the stick with the post ?

The ad is aimed at the western world.

 

[Efour]

****ing Identity Politics.
"men" are rapists "men" are this "men" are that.
No.
SOME men are ********. SOME men are rapists, murderers, etc etc.

 

[Akagi]

****ing Identity Politics.
"men" are rapists "men" are this "men" are that.
No.
SOME men are ********. SOME men are rapists, murderers, etc etc.

As are SOME women.

SOME PEOPLE are those things. PEOPLE.

 

[Efour]

The ad is aimed at the western world.

more just USA tbh

 

[Efour]

As are SOME women.

indeed

 

[labbby]

The ad is aimed at the western world.

So those things don't happen in the Western world then ?

 

[h4rm0ny]

I'm not sure you are talking to me or not... you quoted me but then refer to me in the third person as a reference of support to the person you are talking to...but then refer to specificity which is what I said....confusing much?

I was talking to Cheesyboy, whom I quoted. That is why you were referred to in Third Person.

Oh, and the capitalisation of internet seems to be a hot topic with arguments for and against but the trend in the UK is internet, whilst in the US Internet is more prevalent

The Internet is a singular thing. Other things that implement the same structure are not called "Internets", they're networks, intranets, VPNs but never "internets". Ergo, Internet is capitalised.

Honestly don't see the issue with that ad... a little poorly directed and heavy handed with it's message? Sure. But the message itself is a pretty good one I'd say. Don't be a bullying, misogynistic *****.

And if someone came to you and lectured you not to be a bullying, misogynistic ****** would you thank them for their help or would you object to the lecture? The latter, because you'd resent the implication you needed to be lectured to. Just as any other group you could swap in there would resent it whether that be a racial group, women, people of a particular city or a religion. You don't get that having people lecture you based on some arbitrary characteristic is offensive? I don't believe you.

Well that is quite an amusing barometer when it comes to plenty of feminist slogans, statements, tweets etc... replace "men" with say "blacks" and they can come across as horribly racist. But men are fair game.

I guess if an advert were made teaching black people that it isn't OK to sell drugs, that gangs aren't cool - perhaps quoting some rap lyrics glorifying gang violence etc.. plenty of black people wouldn't be too happy about it given that those are things that are done by a small minority and aren't exclusive to black people either.

Of course you might also get a few black people who might otherwise be referred to as "uncle toms" saying - "well gang violence is bad and I identify with the good black people, I know this advert featuring black people doing loads of bad things isn't about all black people", "well the message is a good one still, don't be a drug selling gangbanger" etc...

Excellently put.

It's just a statement used to shrug off negative behaviour a something to be expected from a boy, just be a decent person? Male or female.

The fact is men are much more likely to sexually harass women, at the work place or in pubs or clubs. Men will send pictures of their knobs or even porn to female models on instagram. Don't even get me started on internet dating. Men get arrested for touching up women on the tube, don't see the reverse. Unless there's some massive cover up going on and really men are the hunted.

Men are far less likely to report sexual assault, receive far less support for it and are far less likely to be taken seriously. No, sexual assault rates are not equal, but nor are they dismissably far apart. And in either case, do you really want to lecture a group based on the behaviour of 1% of it? Are you equally supportive of people going on about Black people for the minority that are criminals or women for the minority that have affairs or Muslims for the minority that are terrorists? You do understand that this would be resented by those groups just as this is resented by men, do you not? So the question is would you be here defending such an advert on the basis that "Black people DO commit more crime than White people"? Or would you realise that what you'd just said was a justification of something based on the difference between small minorities in both groups? I mean, we can say that men are 10x as likely as women to be imprisoned for violent crime, but when the difference between the two is 0.01% versus 0.1% of the two groups do you think that justifies talking down to the entirety of that group because their 0.1% is higher than another group's 0.01%? Because that is the reasoning you just used in the above. And I believe you've used it because the target group in this instance is men.

This is why people are objecting - males are being singled out for special examination and criticism and lecturing. It's offensive.

 

[Akagi]

So those things don't happen in the Western world then ?

Not as much as they do in countries where such beliefs and practices originate. By a huge margin.

None of it should exist here at all.

And you know what I meant.

 

[glenimp617]

As are SOME women.

SOME PEOPLE are those things. PEOPLE.

Well said

Women can also rape men. Same as shaving.

 

[dowie]

I'm not sure who that guy is but the way im reading it (could easily be wrong) he is an Imam that understands the issues with his faith and is making a point.

A very good point actually. If Gillette believes in womens equal rights and femiminism why did they not mention any of the issues women face that the imam listed.

I mean,am i getting the wrong end of the stick with the post ?

Because it is just a shallow attempt to appear woke for marketing purposes and can act as a counter for the rather dated messages in some of their own adverts from just a few years ago

Of course as they're not actually interested in sending out any social justice message for anything other than making themselves look good they'll have no interest in targeting even bigger issues for feminism in their adverts in Asia and the Middle East.

I presume they're still going to be flogging pink razors to women at a bit of a mark up relative to the men's range.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Not sure what to make of that... ^

Imam Tawhidi is an amazing guy. Have watched him being interviewed by Tommy Robinson who he repeatedly left speechless. And by Dave Rubin who he jolted out of his usual, soporific "I agree with you" routine and actually made look quite discomfited at places. Imam Tawhidi does a lot of work behind the scenes that most people don't know about. He's far from just a pundit who makes provocative comments.

 

[labbby]

Not as much as they do in countries where such beliefs and practices originate. By a huge margin.

None of it should exist here at all.

And you know what I meant.

So it shouldn't be covered in this gillette ad then ?

I think the point Imam Tawhidi is probably making is that Gillette were afraid to go after certain cultures/faith issues. If they want go for a "men should be better" advert then go for it.

I would imagine Imam Tawhidi gets really frustrated with all this.. He understands serious issues his faith face but everyone is scared to cover it.

 

[dowie]

As are SOME women.

SOME PEOPLE are those things. PEOPLE.

So would you be happy with an advert targeted at muslims based on some muslims being terrorists etc.. or an advert aimed at black people based on some black people being gang members, drug dealers etc.. ?

 

[Freakbro]

I was talking to Cheesyboy, whom I quoted. That is why you were referred to in Third Person.

Then to avoid the confusion it's best to quote Cheesyboy instead of me when you're talking to him